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    #11
    I quite like Nassim Taleb's lessons on Black Swans. I think he's got some good points, although his answers can't be complete; you need to think about cultural aspects too, but this is a start;

    1. What is fragile should break early while it is still small. Nothing should ever become too big to fail. Evolution in economic life helps those with the maximum amount of hidden risks – and hence the most fragile – become the biggest.

    2. No socialisation of losses and privatisation of gains. Whatever may need to be bailed out should be nationalised; whatever does not need a bail-out should be free, small and risk-bearing. We have managed to combine the worst of capitalism and socialism. In France in the 1980s, the socialists took over the banks. In the US in the 2000s, the banks took over the government. This is surreal.

    3. People who were driving a school bus blindfolded (and crashed it) should never be given a new bus. The economics establishment (universities, regulators, central bankers, government officials, various organisations staffed with economists) lost its legitimacy with the failure of the system. It is irresponsible and foolish to put our trust in the ability of such experts to get us out of this mess. Instead, find the smart people whose hands are clean.

    4. Do not let someone making an “incentive” bonus manage a nuclear plant – or your financial risks. Odds are he would cut every corner on safety to show “profits” while claiming to be “conservative”. Bonuses do not accommodate the hidden risks of blow-ups. It is the asymmetry of the bonus system that got us here. No incentives without disincentives: capitalism is about rewards and punishments, not just rewards.

    5. Counter-balance complexity with simplicity. Complexity from globalisation and highly networked economic life needs to be countered by simplicity in financial products. The complex economy is already a form of leverage: the leverage of efficiency. Such systems survive thanks to slack and redundancy; adding debt produces wild and dangerous gyrations and leaves no room for error. Capitalism cannot avoid fads and bubbles: equity bubbles (as in 2000) have proved to be mild; debt bubbles are vicious.

    6. Do not give children sticks of dynamite, even if they come with a warning. Complex derivatives need to be banned because nobody understands them and few are rational enough to know it. Citizens must be protected from themselves, from bankers selling them “hedging” products, and from gullible regulators who listen to economic theorists.

    7. Only Ponzi schemes should depend on confidence. Governments should never need to “restore confidence”. Cascading rumours are a product of complex systems. Governments cannot stop the rumours. Simply, we need to be in a position to shrug off rumours, be robust in the face of them.

    8. Do not give an addict more drugs if he has withdrawal pains. Using leverage to cure the problems of too much leverage is not homeopathy, it is denial. The debt crisis is not a temporary problem, it is a structural one. We need rehab.

    9. Citizens should not depend on financial assets or fallible “expert” advice for their retirement. Economic life should be definancialised. We should learn not to use markets as storehouses of value: they do not harbour the certainties that normal citizens require. Citizens should experience anxiety about their own businesses (which they control), not their investments (which they do not control).

    10. Make an omelette with the broken eggs. Finally, this crisis cannot be fixed with makeshift repairs, no more than a boat with a rotten hull can be fixed with ad-hoc patches. We need to rebuild the hull with new (stronger) materials; we will have to remake the system before it does so itself. Let us move voluntarily into Capitalism 2.0 by helping what needs to be broken break on its own, converting debt into equity, marginalising the economics and business school establishments, shutting down the “Nobel” in economics, banning leveraged buyouts, putting bankers where they belong, clawing back the bonuses of those who got us here, and teaching people to navigate a world with fewer certainties.

    Then we will see an economic life closer to our biological environment: smaller companies, richer ecology, no leverage. A world in which entrepreneurs, not bankers, take the risks and companies are born and die every day without making the news.

    In other words, a place more resistant to black swans.
    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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      #12
      It was the fault of the general public and their misbegotten faith in a system that was incapable of sustaining their greed and avarice because those in control of it had even greater greed and avarice.
      Confusion is a natural state of being

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        #13
        Originally posted by Diver View Post
        It was the fault of the general public and their misbegotten faith in a system that was incapable of sustaining their greed and avarice because those in control of it had even greater greed and avarice.
        True, and I think that's to do with loss of culture. Somehow people have come to value an overpriced branded handbag or t-shirt, and use their credit card to get it today instead of saving, when there's so much more to experience from going to hear an orchestra playing Beethoven or visiting a gallery to see great works of art. TV pulp like Big Brother that gives instant gratification to zombie-like brains, over a god book with great literature or just knowledge about the world. How many people can really name 10, maybe 20 of the scientific, engineering, artistic or philosophical giants that formed the modern world?
        And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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          #14
          Originally posted by Scoobos View Post
          Yes, because Canada had the same problem with its federation didn't it?

          Oh and who can forget the feeble flop that was the USD when those states united too.

          Sasguru , try Montana and New York , or Alaska and Louisiana (sp?). Or Alberta and Prince Edward Island.
          Are you the latest cretin to infest CUK?
          You might as well say how different Surrey and Wales are. Fact is they have a common language, common executive (even if the local authoriities have different policies), common institutions, easier labour mobility, common taxation system - the list is endless as to why my and your examples are closer to each other than Greece to Germany.
          Hard Brexit now!
          #prayfornodeal

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            #15
            Originally posted by sasguru View Post
            Are you the latest cretin to infest CUK?
            You might as well say how different Surrey and Wales are. Fact is they have a common language, common executive (even if the local authoriities have different policies), common institutions, easier labour mobility, common taxation system - the list is endless as to why my and your examples are closer to each other than Greece to Germany.
            Freedom of movement for labour in the EU has worked very well for some, namely those with a good education or training and language skills; more recently it's been good for skilled tradespeople from the eastern countries. But somehow a lot of people don't seem to experience the benefits.
            And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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              #16
              Basic human nature?

              "Wow, we've made a tulip load of money, more than we'll ever need or spend."

              "Do we stop now?"

              "Nah, lets try and make even more tulip loads of wonga."

              qh
              He had a negative bluety on a quackhandle and was quadraspazzed on a lifeglug.

              I look forward to your all knowing and likely sarcastic and unhelpful reply.

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                #17
                Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                Clearly the Euro, by imposing a one-size fits all fiscal and monetary policy on a set of very diverse, non-convergent states.
                The result was absolutely predictable - and in fact was predicted by Lawson and Hague 20 and 10 years respectively before the current events.
                HTH
                Are you calling Jose Manuel Barros a cretin?

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                  Are you the latest cretin to infest CUK?
                  You might as well say how different Surrey and Wales are. Fact is they have a common language, common executive (even if the local authoriities have different policies), common institutions, easier labour mobility, common taxation system - the list is endless as to why my and your examples are closer to each other than Greece to Germany.
                  Its actually simply than that.

                  In the USA states don't mind the US government collecting taxes in their state and spending it in another state.

                  In Canada states don't mind the Canadian government collecting taxes in their state and spending it in another state.

                  In Europe Germany doesn't want to collect taxes and give them to the poorer countries like Greece.... Until that changes the euro is as dead as a dodo and as robust as a chocolate teapot.
                  merely at clientco for the entertainment

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by TimberWolf View Post
                    Are you calling Jose Manuel Barros a cretin?
                    Jose Manuel Barros is clearly not a cretin, but a highly intelligent man. However, highly intelligent people make mistakes too, and those mistakes can be compounded when they're surrounded by like minded people without having a few people around them who will criticise. I think part of the euro problem is the 'yes men syndrome' where everyone in some circle agreed on what to do; that's a trap.
                    And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by eek View Post
                      Its actually simply than that.

                      In the USA states don't mind the US government collecting taxes in their state and spending it in another state.

                      In Canada states don't mind the Canadian government collecting taxes in their state and spending it in another state.

                      In Europe Germany doesn't want to collect taxes and give them to the poorer countries like Greece.... Until that changes the euro is as dead as a dodo and as robust as a chocolate teapot.
                      EU member states contribute to a fund that is redistributed though.

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