Message for the current (and any subsequent) Governments

[Scoobos]

Unless you're talking about elaborate avoidance measures, which would be a gross generalisation, what do you mean? The poor pay 0% tax.

I mean the working poor, those on minimum wage (or imo less than 10 p/h - 400 per week) - although arguably this has changed a little in the past year due to the increase in the base rate.

People still pay tax and NI on their benefits dont they? (unless its the day where you set me straight on every thread i post in !)

Also DA, the poverty line is higher than you think , if you think only the unemployed live under it... A typical household in Cumbria, with 1 parent working is under the poverty line (40 hrs at 5 pound an hour keeps a family of 2 in poverty)

I hope this is all correct.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Where have they said they're taking more money from the rich in order to increase benefits payouts? In fact they talk about reducing/tightening benefits.

You seem to think it's some simplistic Robin Hood scenario where the taxman takes from the rich and hands it out to the poor. The truth is he takes it, and then it disappears.

Oh for goodness sake - I was addressing each of the original 5 points in order in an attempt to explain the philosophy behind them

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

The rich pay proportionately less than the poor as a percentage of their income.

Argue with that, you're already proportionately getting better off every day - why sell a nasty tax burden thats unfair? Its only unfair because you're not getting a return to yourself - but you are...

I think you're missing the point that creating an underclass that is prepared to kill due to the hatred they have of the high and mighty, is far far more damaging to the rich.

Any country thats tried to do this (and the USA can be a moderate example, although they still have a skeleton social system) - ends up with the minority having to live in a very small area , while the angry masses threaten rape, murder and destruction . Unless you want a totalitarian regime at the top, which you're part of? (I hope not, as my conspiracy mentality will go crazy if led to beleive that conservatives really do want a utopia just for themselves).

Can you give an example, where society is "dog eat dog / survival of the fittest" and its peaceful and gives opportunity equally to all?

The top 10% of earners in this country pay 85% of the total UK tax bill - perhaps it would be 'fairer' if it was 100%?

An 'underclass' that 'hates the high and mighty' is not created by the wealthy and nor is it created by capitalism, it is created within a society that thinks everything is a 'right' and nothing has to be earned.

Why do people not have equal opportunities in the UK?

[DodgyAgent]

Seriously, you don't know me, or my tax affairs - I'm a contractor ONLY because the market demanded it of me - in order to do my job my clients DEMANDED B2B (as I moved overseas for work in the .COM bust) and its stuck since then. I pay higher rate tax volunatarily (up until last year, when things changed a bit for me).

I'm sure that there are other contractors with my view who also don't act in order to minimise tax. I genuinelly am not in contracting to save tax, im in it to continue to have a workstream.

excuse typos, im on my phone.

I dont know you but let me take a few guesses

You are a contractor by virtue of being privileged enough to be brought up/educated and endowed with an intelligence that by chance enables you to be in the top one percent of the entire world's richest people. I would imagine that if you have kids that you would send them to the best school you could rather than a school that would support your ideological views, that you would not hesitate to pay out for private healthcare should the NHS be too slow in delivering it. I bet you dont live on a council estate welcoming in and sharing your vast wealth with immigrants who do not speak English and do not work.

You dont really care about the less well off and the poor because if you did you would demand far more from the public services that are responsible for looking after, housing and educating the poor. You see socialism as a badge that is worn to give you some sort of moral integrity so that you can beat up and criticise people who are even richer than you.

If you were a true caring individual you would challenge the foundations of the institutions that day in day fail people who really need a top class education or sports facilities or jobs. Instead like your ilk you sneer at creativity and wealth and support institutions that fail in order to validate your own bigotry.

[Alf W]

My god you have a twisted set of values no wonder people ignore you in the street.

Now let me see, who was accusing me via Private Messaging of bullying behaviour yesterday?



Scoobos - you will not 'win' this debate with DA because he'll drag you down to his level of thinking and beat you with experience.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Seriously, you don't know me, or my tax affairs - I'm a contractor ONLY because the market demanded it of me - in order to do my job my clients DEMANDED B2B (as I moved overseas for work in the .COM bust) and its stuck since then. I pay higher rate tax volunatarily (up until last year, when things changed a bit for me).

I'm sure that there are other contractors with my view who also don't act in order to minimise tax. I genuinelly am not in contracting to save tax, im in it to continue to have a workstream.

excuse typos, im on my phone.

You are not a contractor because the market demanded it of you, you are a contractor because you chose to be - if you objected you could have changed career. Perhaps something in the caring profession for an 'average' wage would protect your morality far better

[DodgyAgent]

Now let me see, who was accusing me via Private Messaging of bullying behaviour yesterday?



Scoobos - you will not 'win' this debate with DA because he'll drag you down to his level of thinking and beat you with experience.

I also used the word blackmail

[Peoplesoft bloke]

So to escape being cornered by the question you have decided to trash the person that made the statement. If he is such an idiot then I would have thought you could have easily contradicted his points.

You mentioned idiot, not me. I opined that to say I couldn't disagree was arrogant. I stand by that.

[Alf W]

Excellent bit of Friday afternoon pie flinging and handbags though. Disappointed I missed out on it.

[d000hg]

So the poor who I presume are unemployed are paying more tax than the rich?

I meant those earning ~£10k

I mean the working poor, those on minimum wage (or imo less than 10 p/h - 400 per week) - although arguably this has changed a little in the past year due to the increase in the base rate.

So how do they pay proportionally more tax than the rich?

Oh for goodness sake - I was addressing each of the original 5 points in order in an attempt to explain the philosophy behind them

I was also addressing the original point... that this isn't what happens in the first place.