Give a 'hoodie' a job, says Employment Minister Grayling

[wim121]

i agree to some extent. my only issue with national service though is the morality of murdering people for a job.

[vetran]

Some of you disagree, which I find sad and inexperienced.

Not quite sure you have thought this through. Many people are disagreeing with an employment minister suggesting when employers are presented with a clean cut, hard working employee from abroad and a disaffected youth who doesn't present themselves well they should pick the home grown high risk strategy out of compassion when the employers are seriously trying to keep faithful employees in work.

That is foolish in a number of ways.

If the government removed the alternative rather than flooding the market with cheap highly qualified alternatives employers wouldn't have a choice but to choose home grown.

If the government educated the hoodies and instilled a work ethic in them during the legally enforced schooling period while they have them at their mercy.

If the Government removed the cushy hammock of benefits and made being unemployed uncomfortable the young are less likely to present themselves as hoodies at least at work.

If the government subsidised the businesses to act as social workers and supported them by removing their ability to fire them at the drop of a hat without facing spurious legal proceedings then business may be willing to take a chance. See the Poundland flouncer & the Tesco indignation killing the work experience scheme.

Been there managed acquired talent to be better, but I still prefer hiring my own. The cost of the risk is substantial.


now Inexperienced?

[DodgyAgent]

This whole sorry situation is the consequence of the overbearing nanny state. In close communities miscreants would have been sorted out by the local communities by being made to work (which is what the "big society" is trying to return us to). However because we have this huge welfare state that is supposed to take responsibility for the social ills of society (most of which it creates by delivering appalling standards of education and care) no one has any sense of social/community responsibility.

[DodgyAgent]

i agree to some extent. my only issue with national service though is the morality of murdering people for a job.

Quite apart from your ridiculous assertion that equates killings in war with murder, why shouldnt all young people do community service for a year instead of National service.

[AtW]

(which is what the "big society" is trying to return us to).

Big Society is a load of bulltulip - the base premise of it is to cut costs on a local level and expect people to do charity work for free.

Needless to say it won't work.

[DodgyAgent]

Some of you disagree, which I find sad and inexperienced.

Some young people, without direction, can become model employees. I feel some do need a chance.

Often what you find, is it is not the job, but the kind boss that moulds and encourages a sub par team member, spotting qualities in them they werent even aware of. I have seen quite a few 'aimless wasters', go on to be great professionals after someone was willing to invest the effort in to encouraging them to be the best that they can ....

However I will agree, excellent mentors still cant help everyone. Some are always going to be feckless wasters which is sad.

Where do these "excellent mentors" come from?
So lead by example and employ one of them. why is it we are always telling other people what to do?

[DodgyAgent]

Big Society is a load of bulltulip - the base premise of it is to cut costs on a local level and expect people to do charity work for free.

Needless to say it won't work.

Why shouldnt we do it for free? If there were no welfare state and no charities we would have to sort out our social problems ourselves. In poor countries the aged live with their families for the rest of their lives. we dont we shove them off into a care home instead

[EternalOptimist]

i agree to some extent. my only issue with national service though is the morality of murdering people for a job.

It's only murder if they dont want it. but they're asking for it. you can tell by the way they dress
they are laughing at us. you want it, come and have some
bastids

dagger dagger dagger dagger dagger

[AtW]

Why shouldnt we do it for free?

Why do you expect others to work for free doing a pretty hard job?

[DodgyAgent]

Why do you expect others to work for free doing a pretty hard job?

I dont. I am talking about doing it myself. Neighbourhood watch is one example, and we all take it in turns to pick up litter in the street.