Those Peace Loving, Tolerant, Pluralistic Muslims in Action

[The Lone Gunman]

What do you mean by "mostly"?

And what do you mean by "innocent and muslim alike"? Does that include jews and other infidels?

I dont have the time for this, I cant do an Islam 101 and as snaw has pointed out I may be wrong.

I say mostly because there are chapter which preach retribution and of course self defence.

One stops being innocent when one attacks Islam in any way.

Go read the books. Most of it is online and there are plenty of Islamic sites that give you the nice side of Islam.

[DimPrawn]

One stops being innocent when one attacks Islam in any way.

Which includes any form of blasphemy, criticism or free speech.

[Dalek Supreme]

Yes it does. It preaches tolerance and peace mostly. A Muslim must not spill the blood of an innocent nor a Muslim alike.

As someone pointed out the other day, this restriction is neatly by-passed by saying that the victims of Islamic terrorism aren't "innocent".

[The Lone Gunman]

As someone pointed out the other day, this restriction is neatly by-passed by saying that the victims of Islamic terrorism aren't "innocent".

That is where Snaws argument comes in.
Most Muslims would not support that view.
If they did they would have to accept that the actions of one British Muslim represented all British Muslims which puts all kinds of Koranic obligations on them too.

[DaveB]

That is where Snaws argument comes in.
Most Muslims would not support that view.
If they did they would have to accept that the actions of one British Muslim represented all British Muslims which puts all kinds of Koranic obligations on them too.

In the same way that most Christians do not support the view of the Christian extreemists who belive that bombing clinics that carry out abortions, or murdering the doctors who work there, is acceptable.

No religion is fundamentally "evil". It is the interpretation put on them by extreemist minorities on all sides that produces the problems we have today.

Christianity has a long tradition of persecution and genocide all of it own. Wind the clock back 500 years and you can easily replace Islaam with Christianity and have broadly the same situation. Jihads and Fatwahs become Crusades and Papal Edicts.

The real problem is mankinds inability to learn. It's all just history repeating itself and it's really very depressing when you stop and think about it.

[The Lone Gunman]

In the same way that most Christians do not support the view of the Christian extreemists who belive that bombing clinics that carry out abortions, or murdering the doctors who work there, is acceptable.

No religion is fundamentally "evil". It is the interpretation put on them by extreemist minorities on all sides that produces the problems we have today.

Christianity has a long tradition of persecution and genocide all of it own. Wind the clock back 500 years and you can easily replace Islaam with Christianity and have broadly the same situation. Jihads and Fatwahs become Crusades and Papal Edicts.

The real problem is mankinds inability to learn. It's all just history repeating itself and it's really very depressing when you stop and think about it.

and that is where my point comes in.
If an Imam or two convinced enough Muslims that we were no longer innocents then all Muslims would have to join in or admit they are apostates.

It becomes a whole different ball game if Muslims become the electoral majority.

[Dalek Supreme]

At the end of the day, Islam says that women are not the equal to men and requires its adherents to treat women as second class citizens. This alone makes it a dangerous, backwards, medievel religion that should be strongly resisted and has no place in a modern democracy (no laughing at the back there) such as Britain.

[DaveB]

and that is where my point comes in.
If an Imam or two convinced enough Muslims that we were no longer innocents then all Muslims would have to join in or admit they are apostates.

It becomes a whole different ball game if Muslims become the electoral majority.

Now you really are stretching the point, there are an awfull lot of very large assumptions inherant in those statements. Quite frankly it's the kind of thing I'd expect to see on the front page of the Daily Mail or the Express.

At less than 3% of the total population of the UK Muslims have a long way to go before they make up a majority of any kind. Even if they eventually did there is no reason to belive that they would all hold the same political beliefs and vote in the same way. Thats like saying all British voters are Christian so they will all vote Conservative.

[chock]

Muslims do generally have the same political beliefs don't they? - Islam

[ladymuck]

Thats like saying all British voters are Christian so they will all vote Conservative.

If only that were true, Labour would never have got in. Ah, maybe all the muslims voted Labour?