A general discussion on Indian consultancies and racism...

[redgiant]

Toilets are one thing you should never outsource.

Previous client had outsourced toilets which were managed and maintained by a third part contractor and were predictably shocking. They were Portaloos next to the Portacabin (probably also outsourced) office suspended above the car production line ... was the worst environment I’ve ever experienced to work in. Noisy, dark, leaked, smelly (of engine oil amongst other delightful smells) and cold

[woohoo]

I too work for 7.5 hrs as contracted. Most of us do. I was talking about Indian employees in India. Yes, staff are under extreme pressure there. But they end up learning a lot

I find I learn a lot when I have time to research, understand and do something correctly. When I'm under extreme pressure I find the fastest way to do the job, which usually leads to crap code and problems later on.

[original PM]

On the subject of vendor management - I appreciate the neeed for SLA's, penalty clauses for non delviery etc etc etc.

However if things go wrong and the vendor starts quibbling over contracts ect and what is/is not covered

Have you not really wasted a lot of time and money trying to outsource something which in reallity you need to have full complete direct control off?

It just seems that outsorucing+effective vendor management is short term cash savings without addressing a longer term underlying problem?

[Mich the Tester]

I find I learn a lot when I have time to research, understand and do something correctly. When I'm under extreme pressure I find the fastest way to do the job, which usually leads to crap code and problems later on.

...and lots of work and money for freelance testers, for which I thank you Sir.

[woohoo]

...and lots of work and money for freelance testers, for which I thank you Sir.

It warms my heart to know you can afford to heat your one room bedsit tonight because of the work I and others like me couldnt be arsed to do properly.

[yetanotherbob]

Does this broadly fall under non-billable time?

learn a lot when I have time to research, understand

And this, under billable time?:

and do something correctly.

And as a contractor, the rate might reflect how often one does things correctly based on prior research & understanding?
Just asking like...

[bless 'em all]

It warms my heart to know you can afford to heat your one room bedsit tonight because of the work I and others like me couldnt be arsed to do properly.

Oh, us tester's are living the dream. I'm switching another bar of my electric fire on thanks to crap code.

[Mich the Tester]

Oh, us tester's are living the dream. I'm switching another bar of my electric fire on thanks to crap code.

You poor sod; I've got the full on electric fan heater AND a little bio-ethanol table fire. And a bottle of cheap plonk from my local Lidl!

All thanks to crap code!

[Churchill]

Bobs?

Well who the **** else is going to wash the bloody elephants?

[eek]

Bobs?

Well who the **** else is going to wash the bloody elephants?

So how was your first week as a dirty permie?