Fraudulent Timesheet – Help and advice required.

[TheFaQQer]

If they threaten to sack you, then threaten them with a tribunal. They really won't want that, because if it all comes out, their customers will strike them off their suppliers list.

If the OP is a contractor, then they won't be sacking them, they will just terminate the contract. There isn't a tribunal that would help there.

[KimberleyChris]

Is it common?
No it isn't.

What do you do?
Leave. It's illegal.

What if you don't want to leave?
Carry on and do what they want you to do (But Kimberly had good advice).

Sorry, but I don't agree. Sooner or later this will 'come out', maybe even long after our friend has left.

When the tulip hits the fan, it would be best to be the only one stood on the moral high ground.

You will all get sacked anyway when their customers (plural) then blacklist the company in a fit of hypocrisy.

I'll have a chat with my chum in Prospect. I'm sure that there isn't that much of a difference between 'unfair dismissal' and 'unfair contract termination'. I don't know for sure so I'll find out (surely somebody on this site knows more?)

[cojak]

Sorry, but I don't agree. Sooner or later this will 'come out', maybe even long after our friend has left.

When the tulip hits the fan, it would be best to be the only one stood on the moral high ground.

You will all get sacked anyway when their customers (plural) then blacklist the company in a fit of hypocrisy.

I'll have a chat with my chum in Prospect. I'm sure that there isn't that much of a difference between 'unfair dismissal' and 'unfair contract termination'. I don't know for sure so I'll find out (surely somebody on this site knows more?)

I would leave - the OP doesn't like the idea.

What he does after that is up to him.

[KimberleyChris]

I would leave - the OP doesn't like the idea.

What he does after that is up to him.

Agreed. Leaving is by far the best option,as long as he has a job to go to.

Until then, submit scrupulously honest timesheets. The result may be the same (the boot), but you will not be stood next to the proverbial fan. That, to my mind is the biggest danger...it could blight his career for many years if he has a conviction for 'Conspiracy to Defraud'.

Imagine trying to get a job with a bank, or a security-cleared job with that on your record.

[KimberleyChris]

Also, if it did go to court, the company would probably swear blind that they sacked him BECAUSE he put in fraudulent timesheets.

Keep copies of the honest ones.

[SueEllen]

If the OP is a contractor, then they won't be sacking them, they will just terminate the contract. There isn't a tribunal that would help there.

True.

However I would collect documentary evidence to show I had nothing to do with it (email will do) and leave asap.

[KimberleyChris]

Here's how it works;

1. The Customer either discovers the fraud, or is informed of it - in revenge - by the next Contractor who gets sacked after you. The Customer then picks up the phone and rings the Police.

2. The Old Boy Network at your company gets together to get their story straight. They are themselves the unwitting victims. They signed Contractors timesheets in good faith. Any mention of 'cashback' is dismissed by them as a smokescreen to deflect guilt from you - after all, you filled-in the timesheet. They hand all the fraudulent timesheets to the Police as evidence. Then they shake hands strangely and close ranks.

3. At your local police station, your timesheets are then spread out on the interview room table in front of you.

[Churchill]

Fraudulent Timesheet?
Is where no work has been done by the contractor but the management sign of the working day. They will then be expecting the cash for those days to be handed to them once monies have been received.

The current situation
Is that I currently have a contract which will be expiring in a couple of months. Based in the technology sector. They encourage holidays and are also in expectant of pay outs for contract extensions.

What will happen If I refuse to do it?
They hired a chap who refused to conduct this action, and was then fired two weeks later.
How do I feel about it?
It’s a pretty tulip situation in all honesty. During points in the week I often feel as though they are waiting for a pay cheque from me.

How did the situation arise?
I delivered my work and it went through the business very well. The results were better than they had expected and the respect that I bought to the team was well enjoyed. However wishing to cash in on this success the management then approached with this offer. That we should ideally split the amount in even amounts. I was a little horrified and initially confused by there request, however agreed, but also notified them I did not want anything. What they embezzle is all there’s!

Before you judge me!
I am technology professional who has been contracting for over 4 years. Before that I worked in financial and consultancy sectors. I was born and educated in the UK and have only spent time abroad working on short term contracts.

You can't be a real Bob, they're crap.

[SajStars]

update.

8 weeks left on the contract and i suggest to the agency that everything is going ok and are we going to be looking to renew?

Agency replies positively and starts negotiations with the head of department.

Enter the project manager and team leader with whom had previous good relations, but due to current position on not wanting to provide any dodgy timesheets, the relationship has been strained.

…and received 4 weeks’ notice yesterday, with a removal today (Iron Mountain box, security). Ok so I didn’t help things by accusing the team leader and project manager of screwing me over with a load of txt messages the Monday night.

So job hunting for a new contract after 18mths at the same gig!

[KimberleyChris]

Here's how it works;

1. The Customer either discovers the fraud, or is informed of it - in revenge - by the next Contractor who gets sacked after you. The Customer then picks up the phone and rings the Police.

2. The Old Boy Network at your company gets together to get their story straight. They are themselves the unwitting victims. They signed Contractors timesheets in good faith. Any mention of 'cashback' is dismissed by them as a smokescreen to deflect guilt from you - after all, you filled-in the timesheet. They hand all the fraudulent timesheets to the Police as evidence. Then they shake hands strangely and close ranks.

3. At your local police station, your timesheets are then spread out on the interview room table in front of you.

Update: This man is now you.