So was the 2nd World War all for nothing?

[CheeseSlice]

One could also argue that the € was constructed properly because it's leading to a sovereign Europe.

If you are right, this would suggest that the borrowing binge of the southern european nations was foreseen, and was a strategic burning of ships.

This is a slightly worrying train of thought, and I've pondered this one myself. Surely nobody could have designed the Euro with such immoral and ulterior motives.....

[Doggy Styles]

If you are right, this would suggest that the borrowing binge of the southern european nations was foreseen, and was a strategic burning of ships.

This is a slightly worrying train of thought, and I've pondered this one myself. Surely nobody could have designed the Euro with such immoral and ulterior motives.....

It's cunning

[doodab]

If you are right, this would suggest that the borrowing binge of the southern european nations was foreseen, and was a strategic burning of ships.

This is a slightly worrying train of thought, and I've pondered this one myself. Surely nobody could have designed the Euro with such immoral and ulterior motives.....

Well every eurosceptic and his dog claims to have foreseen it so it can't be beyond possibility that those responsible for it's creation did too.

[DodgyAgent]

Well every eurosceptic and his dog claims to have foreseen it so it can't be beyond possibility that those responsible for it's creation did too.

I think you will find that those who support the Euro have never had to run a business, so they have no practical understanding as how wealth is created. Look up the profile of any prominent Europhile from Clegg to Barosso and you will find a serial career politician and bureaucratic meddler behind the facade. Von Rumpy or whatever his name is did work in banking for three years.
They have never had to confront the miniscule detail involved in making projects, business or anything for that matter work.
They are so utterly useless at anything except politics and talking and they are driven entirely by an aloof arrogance and utter exaggeration of their own worth.
And we trust these people to work in our interests?

[Arturo Bassick]

I think you will find that those who support the Euro have never had to run a business, so they have no practical understanding as how wealth is created. Look up the profile of any prominent Europhile from Clegg to Barosso and you will find a serial career politician and bureaucratic meddler behind the facade. Von Rumpy or whatever his name is did work in banking for three years.
They have never had to confront the miniscule detail involved in making projects, business or anything for that matter work.
They are so utterly useless at anything except politics and talking and they are driven entirely by an aloof arrogance and utter exaggeration of their own worth.
And we trust these people to work in our interests?

I know a local County Councillor who was given the local transport remit because he had been a bus driver.

[doodab]

I think you will find that those who support the Euro have never had to run a business, so they have no practical understanding as how wealth is created. Look up the profile of any prominent Europhile from Clegg to Barosso and you will find a serial career politician and bureaucratic meddler behind the facade. Von Rumpy or whatever his name is did work in banking for three years.
They have never had to confront the miniscule detail involved in making projects, business or anything for that matter work.
They are so utterly useless at anything except politics and talking and they are driven entirely by an aloof arrogance and utter exaggeration of their own worth.
And we trust these people to work in our interests?

You won't find many eurosceptics with those qualifications either.

[Doggy Styles]

You won't find many eurosceptics with those qualifications either.

A lot of those Tory sceptic MPs are accused of being on the side of business because that's their background.

[DodgyAgent]

You won't find many eurosceptics with those qualifications either.

But they are not trying to impose laws and rules and controls on people undemocratically. Quite the reverse in fact.

[AtW]

But they are not trying to impose laws and rules and controls on people undemocratically. Quite the reverse in fact.

You keep hanging on to word "democratically" as if it justifies everything - Nu Liebor gets elected on populist claims of tax and spend, it is precisely for that reason necessary to have 3rd party that will audit and enforce rules that apply to all parties whoever elected so that they could not exceed deficit levels agreed in advance.

[doodab]

And therein lies the problem. You will not get elected by promising to balance the books because the electorate will not accept what needs to be done. If you want balanced books then you have to take control away from the general population because they will not vote for it by themselves.

But they are not trying to impose laws and rules and controls on people undemocratically. Quite the reverse in fact.

So what do you want, "democratic" budgeting and economic havoc, or undemocratic rules that stop our elected numpties running riot?