So was the 2nd World War all for nothing?

[DodgyAgent]

You keep hanging on to word "democratically" as if it justifies everything - Nu Liebor gets elected on populist claims of tax and spend, it is precisely for that reason necessary to have 3rd party that will audit and enforce rules that apply to all parties whoever elected so that they could not exceed deficit levels agreed in advance.

Liebour are now out of power which is more than you can say for Putin. What are you on about anyway? What 3rd party are you talking about?

[DodgyAgent]

So what do you want, "democratic" budgeting and economic havoc, or undemocratic rules that stop our elected numpties running riot?

So just tell me how this works? Instead of being able to vote for the party we want and kick them out when they make a mess we have instead a bunch of Germans doing our budgets for us? So who then controls the Germans? Who's interests will they be pursuing?

[AtW]

Liebour are now out of power which is more than you can say for Putin.

Indeed, ironically one of a handful of things he did right was to pay off debts and keep budget deficit under control (not as good in recent 2 years as he is desperate to reelected).

Russian public debt is 9% of GDP.
UK public debt is 76% of GDP.

Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/uk.html

This does not mean I'd prefer to live in Russia, however it means that democratic leaders of free world are more clueless about economics despite being educated in Oxbirdges yet a ****ing low level KGB operative taught in Soviet school got a better clue on how to manage finances well.

Luckily the Germans are both well educated about it and also have strong democratic system where their MPs won't be found attending Nazi dressing parties, can't say that about UK where even Prince can be seen wearing nazi swastika. After all that how can anybody even get WW2 into this conversation? Germans paid VERY high price for WW2 and they've come back different people, sadly little Englanders like yourself totally missed that.

[doodab]

So just tell me how this works? Instead of being able to vote for the party we want and kick them out when they make a mess we have instead a bunch of Germans doing our budgets for us? So who then controls the Germans? Who's interests will they be pursuing?

*we* wouldn't necessarily have the Germans doing our sums for us. *we* would more than likely get to do the sums as well.

Obviously no British government could sign up for such a pax sensibilicus because they would probably have to abide by it and that would be political suicide.

[AtW]

So who then controls the Germans?

Germans or any other country can put forward proposals in EU and member states represented by elected in respective countries people vote for it.

Sounds pretty democratic to me - using veto however isn't very democratic at all.

[DodgyAgent]

Indeed, ironically one of a handful of things he did right was to pay off debts and keep budget deficit under control (not as good in recent 2 years as he is desperate to reelected).

Russian public debt is 9% of GDP.
UK public debt is 76% of GDP.

Source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/uk.html

This does not mean I'd prefer to live in Russia, however it means that democratic leaders of free world are more clueless about economics despite being educated in Oxbirdges yet a ****ing low level KGB operative taught in Soviet school got a better clue on how to manage finances well.

Luckily the Germans are both well educated about it and also have strong democratic system where their MPs won't be found attending Nazi dressing parties, can't say that about UK where even Prince can be seen wearing nazi swastika. After all that how can anybody even get WW2 into this conversation? Germans paid VERY high price for WW2 and they've come back different people, sadly little Englanders like yourself totally missed that.

So show me an example where the running of another country's economy has worked for the benefit of the people of that country. Is it like the Chinese running Tibet? Or the Germans running Poland? Or Russia running Georgia? israel running Palestine?

[Doggy Styles]

Germans or any other country can put forward proposals in EU and member states represented by elected in respective countries people vote for it.

Sounds pretty democratic to me - using veto however isn't very democratic at all.

Why are so many people keen to make the whole thing so complicated? Complication is the mother of unintended consequences, to say nothing of chaos.

[DodgyAgent]

*we* wouldn't necessarily have the Germans doing our sums for us. *we* would more than likely get to do the sums as well.

Obviously no British government could sign up for such a pax sensibilicus because they would probably have to abide by it and that would be political suicide.

Excuse me but according to you by letting Cameron veto the EU economic plan that would control the UK economy he has already committed political suicide, so you cannot cop out of this one that easily.

[DodgyAgent]

Germans or any other country can put forward proposals in EU and member states represented by elected in respective countries people vote for it.

Sounds pretty democratic to me - using veto however isn't very democratic at all.

So what if the Greeks, Spaniards and Italians get together to borrow like mad and the Germans vetoed them would that be undemocratic?

[darmstadt]

I think you will find that those who support the Euro have never had to run a business, so they have no practical understanding as how wealth is created. Look up the profile of any prominent Europhile from Clegg to Barosso and you will find a serial career politician and bureaucratic meddler behind the facade. Von Rumpy or whatever his name is did work in banking for three years.
They have never had to confront the miniscule detail involved in making projects, business or anything for that matter work.
They are so utterly useless at anything except politics and talking and they are driven entirely by an aloof arrogance and utter exaggeration of their own worth.
And we trust these people to work in our interests?

Pretty much like any politician in most countries, say, erm, David Cameron:

is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, First Lord of the Treasury, Minister for the Civil Service and Leader of the Conservative Party. He represents Witney as its Member of Parliament (MP).

Cameron studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE) at Oxford, gaining a first class honours degree. He then joined the Conservative Research Department and became Special Adviser to Norman Lamont, and then to Michael Howard. He was Director of Corporate Affairs at Carlton Communications for seven years.