So was the 2nd World War all for nothing?

[AtW]

The 2nd World War was fought to prevent German hegemony over Europe.

How exactly is your liberty and life threatened by very reasonable German demands that debts should be controlled at sane levels?

[sasguru]

How exactly is your liberty and life threatened by very reasonable German demands that debts should be controlled at sane levels?

Our liberty is threatened by the demand that our budget would be scrutinised by external people who could veto the elected government's decision if necessary

[AtW]

Our liberty is threatened by the demand that our budget would be scrutinised by external people who could veto the elected government's decision if necessary

Sounds good to me actually - independent auditor who can veto populist moves to fake GDP growth with debt like Brown did.

If anything Germans are fully qualified how to grow their economy without basing it on hot air - they are biggest exporter next to China, and where is UK?

[sasguru]

Sounds good to me actually - independent auditor who can veto populist moves to fake GDP growth with debt like Brown did.

If anything Germans are fully qualified how to grow their economy without basing it on hot air - they are biggest exporter next to China, and where is UK?

It's like a wind tunnel in here: you miss the point completely being a Soviet at heart.
You'd give up national sovereigneity for a few pieces of gold would you?

[AtW]

You'd give up national sovereigneity for a few pieces of gold would you?

You are like an uneducated foolish young boy who thinks it's a soverign right to cut off nose in spite of face.

In the UK companies are not allowed to continue trading if they are not solvent, you can't pay dividends if you have no real profits, you can't pocket tax money hoping next year you'll have enough cash to pay them - those are essential rules that should apply not just to Ltds in UK but also to countries.

It's entirely proper for Germany that managed to run a very good economy despite being completely obliterated in WW2 with half the country under Soviet rule causing long term damage that this country never seen - Luftwaffe attacks are nothing compared with 40 years of Soviet occupation.

Anyway, UK isn't in eurozone so it should have no say on the matter in the first place. Perhaps it should withdraw or get kicked out of EU altogether: in a team you are either a team player or get out of the team.

[d000hg]

The 2nd World War was fought to prevent German hegemony over Europe.

Was it?

[sasguru]

You are like an uneducated foolish young boy who thinks it's a soverign right to cut off nose in spite of face.

In the UK companies are not allowed to continue trading if they are not solvent, you can't pay dividends if you have no real profits, you can't pocket tax money hoping next year you'll have enough cash to pay them - those are essential rules that should apply not just to Ltds in UK but also to countries.

It's entirely proper for Germany that managed to run a very good economy despite being completely obliterated in WW2 with half the country under Soviet rule causing long term damage that this country never seen - Luftwaffe attacks are nothing compared with 40 years of Soviet occupation.

Anyway, UK isn't in eurozone so it should have no say on the matter in the first place. Perhaps it should withdraw or get kicked out of EU altogether: in a team you are either a team player or get out of the team.

The people who make the rules are usually your elected representatives. In a democracy that is.
People have fought and died for that right for centuries.
I find it surprising that 26 Euro nations decided early one morning to hand over control of their economies to a supra-national body (which may be unelected).

[BrilloPad]

Get your Reichmarks here.

Are you printing them? Hopefully you have enough to buy a nice Christmas present for the lustee.

[AtW]

The people who make the rules are usually your elected representatives. In a democracy that is.

That's the kind of rubbish those "elected" "representatives" like to spout because they want to be the ultimate rulers and don't want anybody keep them in check.

Voters are supposed to do that but with a two party system it no longer works.

If German's had their way 10 years ago then Brown (and other countries) would not be able to run up so much debt.

And if the City never was created then maybe just maybe this country would fight harder to keep real jobs in real industries here rather than outsource them to China.

[sasguru]

And if the City never was created then maybe just maybe this country would fight harder to keep real jobs in real industries here rather than outsource them to China.

You really are very stupid indeed
The City invented almost all the institutions that allowed enterprise to flourish: joint stock limited liability companies, insurance, credit systems. Basically ways of managing risk.
Without it you wouldn't have had the factories that flourished in the industrial revolution.