Poor, poor strikers go shopping

[BlasterBates]

Here's another famous inventor:

George Stephenson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

George Stephenson was born in Wylam, Northumberland, 9.3 miles (15.0 km) west of Newcastle upon Tyne. He was the second child of Robert and Mabel,[1] neither of whom could read or write. Robert was the fireman for Wylam Colliery pumping engine, earning a low wage, so that there was no money for schooling. At 17, Stephenson became an engineman at Water Row Pit, Newburn. George realised the value of education and paid to study at night school to learn reading, writing and arithmetic—he was illiterate till the age of 18. In 1801 he began work at Black Callerton colliery as a 'brakesman', controlling the winding gear of the pit.

..and then he invented the steam locomotive.

[doodab]

Here's another famous inventor:

George Stephenson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..and then he invented the steam locomotive.

Yes, so he grew up poor, got a job that paid enough for him to pay for his own education and came up with the idea of using a locomotive on rails (the locomotive had already been invented, it was the steam railway which Stevenson invented). How much might he have achieved if he hadn't been struggling in poverty half his life?

[Mich the Tester]

Yes, so he grew up poor, got a job that paid enough for him to pay for his own education and came up with the idea of using a locomotive on rails (the locomotive had already been invented, it was the steam railway which Stevenson invented). How much might he have achieved if he hadn't been struggling in poverty half his life?

Interesting question, but he's certainly an example of what you can do if education is provided at a reasonable cost to people who come from humble backgrounds. All the more reason why the teachers should have been working yesterday.

[lukemg]

What is the problem ?
2 mill out for a day = 300 mill saved on wages. Impact has been minimal, lots of people can stash kids for the day of have hols saved for xmas shopping.
If the Gov had suggested a day off without pay, they would have gone mad !!!
Well played gents, one a month please, traffic was mint yesterday.

[BlasterBates]

Yes, so he grew up poor, got a job that paid enough for him to pay for his own education and came up with the idea of using a locomotive on rails (the locomotive had already been invented, it was the steam railway which Stevenson invented). How much might he have achieved if he hadn't been struggling in poverty half his life?

He's still be earning far less in those days than a "Theatre Nurse" would be these days, in real terms.

...and wern't we arguing you can't possible do a fulltime job and invent something?

Are you suggesting that most of the population these days are working 14 hours a day in the Cotton mill? What about those "priviliged" public sector workers, can't they invent something?

...Frank Whittle did.

Frank Whittle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Invented the jet engine while training as an RAF pilot.

I thought most people these days can read and write and do arithmetic, which is what you are describing as a "privilege".

[northernladuk]

Outsource the workshy gutbuckets.

Teachers are on the whole undereducated anyway. How the feck you can be allowed to teach without a degree heaven forbid! And if Mrs uneducated Gutbucket wants £10 per hour to wipe your arse and a massive pension for it maybe she should have thought about that at school. Alternatively bring in Bob to do it for a fiver and at least they can talk to you about their degree while doing it.

You are not a qualified teacher without a degree and and teaching cert. I think you are mistaking classroom assistants for teachers.

http://www.tda.gov.uk/get-into-teach...uirements.aspx

£10 an hour with a good pension for 5 years of degrees and further training is a bit crap if you want to compare private with public.

[TheFaQQer]

You are not a qualified teacher without a degree and and teaching cert. I think you are mistaking classroom assistants for teachers.

To be fair to MF, there is nothing to stop someone with no teaching qualifications working as a teacher in a private school or a free school.

So, if you want to teach but haven't got the qualifications to do it, then work in a private school.

[DodgyAgent]

Man I haven't seen anyone argue so much about something they clearly don't understand. You should more than most of us placing contractors in public and private sector.

You are constantly comparing public sector with private sector. You cannot do this. Full stop. They are different animals and have very different culture, motivation and payscales, something you should know from placing contractor in them. Contractors that have worked in them will know.

They cannot just swap jobs. They want to teach, they want to care for people. The only way they can do this is work in the public sector who then screw them over with pitiful wages and conditions. Everyone knows this. They join the job for life waiting for the pension, which is then screwed over.

Your short sightedness in your comparisons between the two is starting to make your arguments look worse and worse with each post.

You tell them to go get another job.. How much would you moan then? The only people wiping your ar*e in hospital and teaching your kids would be the dregs of society that couldn't get a job in a private establishment that most of us cannot afford.

You need to wake up and smell a dose of reality and understand the differences before comparing them to private sector.

You are talking about what they SHOULD be doing, I am talking about what they are actually doing. I dont take your condescending view about public sector workers, I expect them to perform and behave as any worker does IE in the interests of their customers not what they "want" to do.
There should be no such thing as a "job for life" the whole concept ferments entitlement. Yes they can have a pension but when times are tough then like everyone else they have to earn that pension - just as private sector workers do and just as you do and I do.
I do not deal with the public sector out of principle - I loathe the whole concept of the state delivering any kind of service, and I loathe the culture of "just giving someone a job". The reason I loathe it is becuse it creates a self fulfilling culture that impacts on the vulnerable people who are caught in the welfare trap. "There are more poor people out there who need our help so give us mnore money so that we can get more poor people to depend on us so that we can have more money - and if you dont we will go on strike because by not pandering to our entitlement we are blackmail you"
The people most reliant on the public sector have their lives controlled entirely by the uselessness and "society owes a living" and "lets hate the rich" people who populate the public services.
You as a contractor are self suffficient and reliant and hence wealthy. Why cant others enjoy the same?

[BlasterBates]

To be fair to MF, there is nothing to stop someone with no teaching qualifications working as a teacher in a private school or a free school.

So, if you want to teach but haven't got the qualifications to do it, then work in a private school.

I can't imagine a private school employing someone who isn't qualified.

[DodgyAgent]

Yes, so he grew up poor, got a job that paid enough for him to pay for his own education and came up with the idea of using a locomotive on rails (the locomotive had already been invented, it was the steam railway which Stevenson invented). How much might he have achieved if he hadn't been struggling in poverty half his life?

You have neatly managed to switch the argument from equating " entitlement" to affluence. Not everyuone who comes from a comfortable background has the sense of entitlement. Most have earnt their comfort not been given it whether they have grown up in a happy environment or not. I cant beleive you have been allowed to again shift the argument. So lets bring it back to my original point which is that "entitlement" as displayed by the striking public sector workers is an entirely destructive phenomenon. Todays economic climate should be the perfect time to purge our society of having to pay these people by getting rid of them and turning the public sector into a proper service that performs to levels that make it stand out as an economic and social necessity, rather than a symbol of class war and middle class guilt sustained by hypocrites like you.