Bleeding Public Sector Workers!!!

[doodab]

Anyone listening to your vapid rantings would have conclude its about 80%

Yes, perhaps they might, if they took them completely out of context and failed to grasp that I was responding to someone who had stated:

Yes but as i have pointed out before, the uk is a nation of bankers, its the Uk's biggest industry taking in the biggest amount of cash so although they have dropped us in the tulip we still need to pay for top talent cos if we don't some other country will, and if we lose banking what have we got to fall back on nothing

and restating his assumptions, the point being that even if they were correct it would not matter

You may also notice I said

This is exactly the sort of scaremongering that's obscuring many of the often sensible arguments the banking community have in their favour. It seems a lot of the less thoughtful city drones have absorbed this line of argument without subjecting it to any criticism whatsover

which is a sightly more eloquent way of saying the same thing as you i.e. that it's a bollocks argument.

Now, do you want to admit we are actually agreeing for a change or do you want to continue telling me how stupid I am to be agreeing with you?

[sasguru]

Yes, perhaps they might, if they took them completely out of context and failed to grasp that I was responding to someone who had stated:



and restating his assumptions, the point being that even if they were correct it would not matter

You may also notice I said which is a sightly more eloquent way of saying the same thing as you i.e. that it's a bollocks argument.

Now, do you want to admit we are actually agreeing for a change or do you want to continue telling me how stupid I am to be agreeing with you?

OK I'll grant you that.

Now kindly stop harping on about manufacturing like its some great fetish.
The fact is the UK has its manufacturing strengths - in some sectors it's far more high tech than Germany.

The fact is that we notice German goods more because they're household goods like cars, vacuums, and washing machines.
Just the sort of stuff that the Koreans are taking over, by being as good as if not better than than the Germans,
But when you fly, you don't notice the Rolls Royce jet engine keeping you safe.
Or if you are a diabetic the GSK drug keeping you alive.
Or the first rate engineering in almost every F1 team

[doodab]

The fact is the UK has its manufacturing strengths - in some sectors it's far more high tech than Germany.

This is very true. I seem to remember a things the UK was good at making thread a while ago.

The fact is that we notice German goods more because they're household goods like cars, vacuums, and washing machines.

I think that depends on what you notice. When I think of German goods I tend to think of tools, optics & cameras, industrial automation, chemicals, trains and so on as well as white goods, cookware and cars.

But when you fly, you don't notice the Rolls Royce jet engine keeping you safe

I often notice the wings though.

[d000hg]

If the cap fits doofus.
You HAVE no kids, therefore you have no practical experience of how contractors with kids conduct their affairs.

It's hardly rocket science. People with jobs have to adapt if the school is closed. No to mention all the people I know who do have kids, and the fact I'm married to a teacher.

But don't let that stop you feeling smug that you have managed to impregnate someone. It's probably the most intellectual achievement you have.

[shaunbhoy]

It's hardly rocket science. People with jobs have to adapt if the school is closed.

No tulip Sherlock!!
So are you suggesting that the Government should just roll over and cave into these ridiculously extravagant and unrealistic demands, simply because some people might find it inconvenient to make alternative provision?
Newsflash..............people CAN and DO adapt!!

No to mention all the people I know who do have kids, and the fact I'm married to a teacher.

Ahh..........now it becomes a lot clearer why you are taking your view. Self-interest at work.

But don't let that stop you feeling smug that you have managed to impregnate someone. It's probably the most intellectual achievement you have.

I don't feel smug about it.
I do however, unlike you, talk from a position of experience where childcare is concerned. Something you cannot say.
It remains an intellectual achievement that you have not managed to accomplish. One amongst a great many others.
Still, I expect you have really bottomed out the whole imaginary friend business, so well done you.

[minestrone]

I don't know why every conversation involving public sector terms and conditions ends up with banking salaries being used as a base point.

I know exactly why the public sector unions bring it up but seemingly intelligent people should be able to debate the subject without constantly telling us about the great affliction hanging over Babs who has cooked school meals for 30 years and is now being asked to cover her own pension provision.

[Churchill]

I don't know why every conversation involving public sector terms and conditions ends up with banking salaries being used as a base point.

I know exactly why the public sector unions bring it up but seemingly intelligent people should be able to debate the subject without constantly telling us about the great affliction hanging over Babs who has cooked school meals for 30 years and is now being asked to cover her own pension provision.

Do you not think that it's the correlation between perceived "******* up of the system" and still being amply rewarded for said "**** up"?

Just asking like.

[shaunbhoy]

Do you not think that it's the correlation between perceived "******* up of the system" and still being amply rewarded for said "**** up"?

Just asking like.

Fat Cats have always continued to get fatter regardless. Whilst this is wrong, it does not in any way somehow mitigate a bloated, and often underperforming Public Sector, continuing to exist way beyond their means.
The overwhelming majority of the private sector have been getting squeezed for years, and all that is being requested of the Public Sector is that they share some of the pain.
Apparently, if you believe their Union bosses, that is grossly unfair.

Plenty of unemployed Teaching Graduates out there. Take them on under more reasonable T&Cs and see how we go from there. Let the rest of them take their chances of finding alternative careers in the real world.

[minestrone]

Do you not think that it's the correlation between perceived "******* up of the system" and still being amply rewarded for said "**** up"?

Just asking like.

No, I see it as a false argument from people who do not want to pay for their own pension.

Take my brother as an example, about to retire at 50 after 25 years working in social work and to be given a pension of 20 grand a year for probably the next 25 years. (his top income was 36 grand).

That is where the **** up is.

[d000hg]

No tulip Sherlock!!
So are you suggesting that the Government should just roll over and cave into these ridiculously extravagant and unrealistic demands, simply because some people might find it inconvenient to make alternative provision?

Well since I never said that, I don't know where you got that impression. This whole discussion started from the assertion nobody would NOTICE if public sector workers striked. Clearly, now even you are admitting this isn't true because as a parent you'll be inconvenienced.

Ahh..........now it becomes a lot clearer why you are taking your view. Self-interest at work.

I haven't expressed a view, you are inventing the argument you want to hear. But for your education, I don't support the strike and am trying to convince her not to take part.

I don't feel smug about it.
I do however, unlike you, talk from a position of experience where childcare is concerned. Something you cannot say.
It remains an intellectual achievement that you have not managed to accomplish. One amongst a great many others.

So you're admitting that for you, fathering children was an intellectual accomplishment? Was that because you had to read a lot to understand what to do?
If it counts as an achievement in your book to figure out where to put it, then well done that man. Good job. Round of applause.