John Terry

[Bunk]

Sorry but you're wrong. If I lost my temper with someone black and was simply trying to find words I knew would hurt them, and called him the N word, it doesn't automatically make me a racist.

Then I think we disagree about what makes someone a racist. Call him an arsehole, call him a c**t if you have to, but the N word is, by definition, a racist insult and someone who uses it is a racist.

[Churchill]

Then I think we disagree about what makes someone a racist. Call him an arsehole, call him a c**t if you have to, but the N word is, by definition, a racist insult and someone who uses it is a racist.

What about a couple of African-American chappies referring to each other?

As for John Terry, the man is without honour and certainly isn't positive role-model material.

[cojak]

I think a good rule of thumb is if the recipient considers it racist then it is.

I thought Terry's defence was that he called him a Blind c***?

What does Ferdinand have to say about the incident?

[sasguru]

Sorry but you're wrong. If I lost my temper with someone black and was simply trying to find words I knew would hurt them, and called him the N word, it doesn't automatically make me a racist. Just a jerk looking to hit a nerve.

Opinions tend to be subjective. Saying mine is silly is your subjective opinion.

The fact that you're an idiot is an objective opinion

[Ravello]

It's a complete storm in a teacup story. I don't think John Terry is racist, I do think he's both thick and unpleasant. If he were genuinely racist there's no way so many black footballers would have come out in his support.

Re: The arguments above, I'm also pretty convinced that in the heat of the moment using a racist slur doesn't necessarily constitute being racist, particularly if you're struggling to have enough brain cells to rub together.

As an aside, the term 'Bob' so regularly bandied about on this board is used in a derogatory sense, is also used to describe a group of people of the same race based upon a characteristic of that race - yet because it's used in a jocular manner is accepted and is not (I don't believe) used with racist connotations.

Shirley therefore context is key irrespective of the actual words?

On the plus side, all this shenanigans is clearly impacting Chel$ki's performance on the field so long may it continue

[Doggy Styles]

I think a good rule of thumb is if the recipient considers it racist then it is.

I thought Terry's defence was that he called him a Blind c***?

What does Ferdinand have to say about the incident?

I don't know about "blind c***", but as I understand it when queried by an opponent Terry then said "I didn't call him a black c***, you knobhead."

Anton originally said he didn't hear it anyway.

Sorry about the c-word everybody, but I was crudely making the point was that calling someone 'black' these days seems to be worse than calling them a c***, which no-one seems bothered about.

[Doggy Styles]

It's a complete storm in a teacup story. I don't think John Terry is racist, I do think he's both thick and unpleasant. If he were genuinely racist there's no way so many black footballers would have come out in his support.

Re: The arguments above, I'm also pretty convinced that in the heat of the moment using a racist slur doesn't necessarily constitute being racist, particularly if you're struggling to have enough brain cells to rub together.

As an aside, the term 'Bob' so regularly bandied about on this board is used in a derogatory sense, is also used to describe a group of people of the same race based upon a characteristic of that race - yet because it's used in a jocular manner is accepted and is not (I don't believe) used with racist connotations.

Shirley therefore context is key irrespective of the actual words?

On the plus side, all this shenanigans is clearly impacting Chel$ki's performance on the field so long may it continue

WHS

Especially the bit about Chelski.

[TheFaQQer]

Sorry about the c-word everybody, but I was crudely making the point was that calling someone 'black' these days seems to be worse than calling them a c***, which no-one seems bothered about.

A c*** calling someone a c*** is hardly newsworthy

[SimonMac]

Can we not use the C word?

I don't like the word and it offends me hearing it, but in the context of the story its hard to to mention the C word as its the football team he play's for.

[MaryPoppins]

As an aside, the term 'Bob' so regularly bandied about on this board is used in a derogatory sense, is also used to describe a group of people of the same race based upon a characteristic of that race - yet because it's used in a jocular manner is accepted and is not (I don't believe) used with racist connotations.

Completely agree. I would never use the term Bob, in the same way I'd never utter the N word