The government are a bunch of bankers

[sasguru]

I MI6 showed us that when it came to the truth behind the 9/11 movement.

Oh yeah?

And what, pray tell, was the truth behind the "9/11 movement"?

[mudskipper]

MI6 showed us that when it came to the truth behind the 9/11 movement.

Oh yeah?

And what, pray tell, was the truth behind the "9/11 movement"?

[NickFitz]

Oh yeah?

And what, pray tell, was the truth behind the "9/11 movement"?

It was full of tulip and became a bowel movement

[DimPrawn]

I'm keeping well clear of London....

[Spacecadet]

I'm keeping well clear of London....

And who's going to pay the tax that pays the benefits once the rich are all gone?

[TimberWolf]

Surely this transfer of wealth from poor to rich has happened before? How did that resolve itself?

[wim121]

Oh yeah?

And what, pray tell, was the truth behind the "9/11 movement"?

Yeah, Im not posting just an opinion, just historic fact.


Historic fact:
If you recall after 9/11, there was a group called The 9/11 Truth Movement. They presented some interesting questions behind the attacks, links/evidence to US/UK political motivations in the middle east beforehand, experts questioning the timeline of events, etc.

It gained some real credibility and had the backing of architects, scientists, etc etc. The entire movement gained a lot of publicity and reports from the government were widely believed to be a whitewash. The movement spread over to the UK, with people questioning events, especially after our London bombings.

You will have noticed if you read the papers as well, that in those years over here, David Shayler, an ex MI5 officer, who apparently turned down an MI6 promotion and went a bit crazy, got involved with the movement.

Try using google, or reading numerous world events from time to time, works wonders! The movement was very well known and in the media quite a lot so Im baffled at how one couldnt have heard about it?




Opinion based upon the fact and factoids within:
So, David Shayler, we are presumed to believe is mentally ill/crazy crossdresser according to news articles? Feel free to look up the facts and then you will see why many essays have been written by people covering the popular yet unadmitted concept of discrediting by association.

Discrediting By Association:Undermining the Case for Patriots Who Question 9/11

David Shayler went on to say many crazy things, including the following about 9/11, much to the annoyance of some 9/11 truth members/supporters:

David Shayler explained to reporters at The Times, The Liverpool Echo, and in public appearances recorded on video, that the Trade Center jetliner crashes where faked using "missiles wrapped in holograms", and that:
"' . . . there is little evidence to show that jets went into the buildings . . . Watch the footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Centre.'"

The moment someone said about crazy flying holograms, the whole movement which previously had scientific merit and geniune intrigue was undermined and discredited by a crazy man. The fact is, he destroyed the entire movement on this side of the pond and documentaries produced later on after 9/11 in the US, showed only nutjobs who believe in aliens, instead of reasoned scientists and experts as shown previously, discrediting by association even further.

As the essay says:

Worse, perhaps, is the impact on 9/11 activists - the inclusion of these individuals without pause misrepresents them to new 9/11 activists who will naturally assume that these must be serious individuals. They will promote them to others, link to them on their myspace and facebook pages, in their forum postings and via their email lists. Eventually, ideas featured by these individuals -- such as that real commercial jets never hit the WTC -- can outrank sober analysis exposing the core of the crime in search engine returns, persuading even people skeptical of the mainstream media's objectivity that the 9/11 "conspiracy theorists" are indeed all nuts.

It is a fact, by looking at declassified government files and propaganda of the time, discreditation and propaganda have been potent tools, utilised well in the past. Governments dont always tell people the truth or point them towards the truth. They have to protect national interests and the fact behind that is sometimes mass deception is necessary.

Anyway, funnily enough, if you look at the past decade of David Shaylers life, you will see he has joined many public interest groups that question governments and regimes. So is he crazy or something? Did he get poisoned or subjected to mental manipulation to make him a bumbling cross dressing fool? So we are led to believe by the media! However a far more likely scenario is he wasnt ever "drummed" out of MI5, but instead accepted a job (which he was rumoured to have been offered) in MI6 and now works in disinformation, discrediting movements gaining mass popularity that have some element of truth or tangibility that it could be believed by the masses or to deter digging in to secretive national/international matters.

One of the most famous facts of disinformation which is fascinating was the US UFO conspiracy, to throw people from the fact that secretive aircraft were being developed. They managed to hide the existence of a highly classified plane for over a decade, but the disinformation grew to such an extent, even former government officials aware of the disinformation, were found decades later to believe in the UFO disinformation their goverment put in to the mainstream. Really was a triumph as many people still believe in extra terrestrial UFO's now and the TR-3B nowadays, is commonly spotted by amateurs and experienced individuals alike as being something only possible by explanation as being extra terrestrial, when in fact, it is the next generation of secretive aircraft and unbelievingly powerful.

[wim121]

It was full of tulip and became a bowel movement

And you are living proof of the example set forth. Once the movement was littered with "tulip", it lost all credibility and individuals such as yourself and the majority of the population, lacked the rationality to see how a geniune interest group was littered with nutjobs deliberately.

So with yourself and around 80% of the population in mind, we see why disinformation, propaganda and subjects of authority control most of the populations behaviour. This has been proved culturally, in wartime causing one of the biggest conflicts of all time and by the Milgram experiment.

In short, it shows how people will lose all objectivity, morality, empathy and logic even if they had it in the first place and believe what they are told or do henious mutilations/beatings and kill others just based on what they have been fed to believe.

You are playing in to the role of "good little controlled citizen" just like the screws and perps in the Stanford experiment, proved to be so violent and intense, it was shut down and caused mass ethical issues. Helps show us how much we all will adapt to a role in society and the lengths we will go to .

[Arturo Bassick]

WIM: Are you telling us that David Ike is the UKs top spook?

[Churchill]

I'm keeping well clear of London....

I doubt his hands have ever done an honest days work!

Personally I'm looking forward to a running battle against the proletariat, it'd be a marvellous opportunity to wipe out a few chavs.

Churchill - In "Gun for hire, who's paying?" mode!