Requirements management

[suityou01]

You seem to be convinced that the contract between the consultancy (your client) and the end client matters.

I can think of several scenarios in which this assumption could be proven completely wrong, to your ultimate significant cost.

Just because you post patronising bollox doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.

Why not elaborate on your point so I can see what you're drivelling on about.

[suityou01]

I think he believes the end client will pay the consultancy no matter what but that won't be the case. In previous examples of this kind of issue the battle has been to identify the most powerful department and give them exactly what they want. Granted the other departments would moan but at least there would be a finished implemented product, a consultancy who could invoice and 1 department on his side.

Another fktard. And what if the system is only for one department?

[MarillionFan]

Another fktard. And what if the system is only for one department?

Oh suity, suity, suity.

[suityou01]

Oh suity, suity, suity.

Ello sunbeam

[eek]

Another fktard. And what if the system is only for one department?

In previous examples of this kind of issue the battle has been to identify the most powerful person and give them exactly what they want. Granted the other people would moan but at least there would be a finished implemented product, a consultancy who could invoice and 1 person on his side.

That any clearer? Delivering nothing is not going to make anyone happy.

[suityou01]

In previous examples of this kind of issue the battle has been to identify the most powerful person and give them exactly what they want. Granted the other people would moan but at least there would be a finished implemented product, a consultancy who could invoice and 1 person on his side.

That any clearer? Delivering nothing is not going to make anyone happy.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, who said anything, and I do mean a n y t h i n g, at all about delivering nothing?

:foot-tapping-smiley:

[suityou01]

I think he believes the end client will pay the consultancy no matter what but that won't be the case. In previous examples of this kind of issue the battle has been to identify the most powerful department and give them exactly what they want. Granted the other departments would moan but at least there would be a finished implemented product, a consultancy who could invoice and 1 department on his side.

In previous examples of this kind of issue the battle has been to identify the most powerful person and give them exactly what they want. Granted the other people would moan but at least there would be a finished implemented product, a consultancy who could invoice and 1 person on his side.

That any clearer? Delivering nothing is not going to make anyone happy.

You could try making a consistent point.

[d000hg]

That's just the worry we have knowing who's driving things.

[Freamon]

Just because you post patronising bollox doesn't mean you know what you're talking about.

Why not elaborate on your point so I can see what you're drivelling on about.

Here's one example:

You assume that since the contract says the client will provide people to attend all workshops / provide development environments on time, and they didn't fulfil this obligation, that therefore the consultancy will be happy to deliver something late that doesn't meet the client's true requirements, and fight them on the commercials to ensure that they still get paid.

If the consultancy wants repeat business out of this client (or any other client that this client's execs happen to talk to, ever), they will make reasonable endeavours to work around these issues. If, in the meantime you are arguing commercials with the end client, and the consultancy and their client are making other arrangements to smooth things over, you might not come out of it well.

So when I say that the contract may not matter, that's what I mean. Contracts are pieces of paper, they do matter, but nowhere near as much as relationships between individuals and organisations, and the true underlying incentives that exist on either side. This is especially true in the IT world, as arguing contractuals in a court / getting into a liquidated damaged situation, has been shown time and time again not to help anybody.

[eek]

Another fktard. And what if the system is only for one department?

You could try making a consistent point.

So could you

Week 2 on the project and I just met with the business analyst who should have handed over to me in week 1. (Edit - to be fair not his doing)

The generic process designed by him is a high level overview and each department has their own variations on a theme. The consultancy has quoted for delivering the generic process, yet from my workshops it is clear that if this is delivered no one will use the system.

No hope of redefining the project plan, revisiting the requirements. Also the stakeholders are either on holiday, too busy to attend workshops or cannot be arsed.

It also appears there are other stakeholders that need to be involved that have not been so there are huge requirements gaps.

I am supposed to be preparing the f-spec for sign off by next Friday.

What do I do?

Poll to follow.