Global Warming

[OwlHoot]

I'm prepared to believe that changes in the Sun's barycentre can slightly affect its radiation spectrum and hence Earth's climate. But photons, bouncing from pillar to post, take about 100,000 years to travel from inner regions of the Sun to its surface where they escape as radiation.

So to try and correlate barycentric effects with present day climate changes, scientists should work out the positions of planets (especially Jupiter and Saturn), and thus the barycentre, that time in the past rather than now.

The snag is that photon escape time is only an average. So you'd need to average over such a broad time window that any supposed barycentric effects would be smoothed out to practically nothing.

[Churchill]

Already happening:

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Got my car tax renewal a few days ago: £210

Yes but if they really wanted you to stop using your car the "Road Fund Licence" would have been £21k

[EternalOptimist]

I dont understand how sea levels can be dropping, when CO2 has risen dramatically over the last 20 years.

[Spacecadet]

What happened to that CLOUD study from CERN?

[Zoiderman]

I'm prepared to believe that changes in the Sun's barycentre can slightly affect its radiation spectrum and hence Earth's climate. But photons, bouncing from pillar to post, take about 100,000 years to travel from inner regions of the Sun to its surface where they escape as radiation.

So to try and correlate barycentric effects with present day climate changes, scientists should work out the positions of planets (especially Jupiter and Saturn), and thus the barycentre, that time in the past rather than now.

The snag is that photon escape time is only an average. So you'd need to average over such a broad time window that any supposed barycentric effects would be smoothed out to practically nothing.

I try and understand this, the arguments, but can't, to be frank. Some clever scientists here have tried explaining it to me, but the fact they call themselves 'Experimental Scientists', makes me believe they are not 100% sure themselves.

My main issue, is the scaremongering. I have read the book Sustainable Energy – without the hot air and it seems to me, that not all is good in the main.

[Zoiderman]

Yes but if they really wanted you to stop using your car the "Road Fund Licence" would have been £21k

In all fairness, I think the Road fund will be going up in bigger steps soon, mine was nearly £500 this year, and I expect that to go up to £600 within a year or so. It will soon become unsustainable to run a big car, and fair play. But I think to do it in one job lot, would see the motor industry murdered overnight.

[TimberWolf]

Yes but if they really wanted you to stop using your car the "Road Fund Licence" would have been £21k

And they'd lay on decent public transport, create better cycle paths, etc.

Saying that, some governments are less duplicitous than others.

[Zoiderman]

And they'd lay on decent public transport, create better cycle paths, etc.

Saying that, some governments are less duplicitous than others.

It's a lot better than it used to be. Some local councils are really getting their tulip together on cycle paths and integrated public transport.

Others less so.

Mind you, until other road users don't see cyclists as non tax paying scum, I think it's still iffy to cycle on the road.

[BlasterBates]

Erm, that's a borehole, not an ice core study. Did you actually read it? The Easterbrook (mis)-uses the GISP2 ice core isotope data whereas this paper uses temperatures from the borehole left behind after a different ice core (GRIP) was taken, to reconstruct past temperatures. Apples and Oranges.

The results are exactly in line with other studies and measurements. Still it ends in 1930, and tells only what happened at one point on the globe.

So let me get this straight. Tree-rings are useless as a temperature proxy, but borehole temperatures are fine? Well, here's a paper using over 600 boreholes...

http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstr...1/403756a0.pdf

It doesn't end in 1930, you haven't read the paper. Read it and understand it first, then we can debate. They actually take the temp up until very recently. The recent spike on the curve is 1930, it then continues for several decades, similar to Easterbrook's curve which goes up until the 1980's. They take it up until the present day i.e. 2000 on the graph, I presume though that the ice core data is up until the 1980's as per Easterbrook. It's a very similar graph indeed.

The paper you cite goes back to 1500

[TimberWolf]

"Road Tax avoiding scum" is mild.

And yet you expect walking to be untaxed?