threats from ebay buyer

[Incognito]

Well I'm going against the grain here. I actually understand this bloke, he thought it was for 1 booking so he bought it, he then finds out it isn't. If I were him I would also be p****ed off and try to get my money back, why not he wasn't what he thought,and effectively he's thrown away £50. Personally I would give him his money back and auction again, but next time I would not do the private thing. I would do it out of good will and "peace man". Lets face it he doesn't live far away!

Bollocks, auction quite clearly stated 2 for 1. What part of that don't you equate to having to buy 1 to get 1 free.

As MF said (correct spelling this time) caveat emptor. If he has not done his due diligence then that is his fault. The sale was held outside of ebay and therefore does not concern them.

It is a civil matter so the police will not be interested and as it is small claims (<£5K) costs are not recoverable which means the guy won't have his 'fees paid'. He's trying it on.

Do not give the guy your address, if he is adamant he wants your address tell him to get a court to order disclosure from eBay (S.35 Data Protection Act) if he's that serious. Tell him you don't believe that is his purpose for seeking your address.

Whilst the Police won't get involved over civil matters they will get involved over harassment. Tell the chap on the phone that you are not refunding his money, any continued communication from him will be deemed harassment. If he contacts you again go down to the Police and advise them that the guy is harassing you. (If it helps you can tell the police the offence is Section 2(1) of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997).

You might want to stop trading off your current ebay account for a while incase the guy wins one of your auctions (with a different account) to obtain your address. Better be safe than sorry.

[SneakySimon]

Ebay

I sold a car on Ebay (never again!) and had the guy who bought it for £8k, claim once he had it home it had this problem / that problem etc and demanded I paid him £1.5k otherwise he and his mates would collect from me. (the guy never checked the car and paid via PayPal and then sent a mate along to collect).

Anyway, long story short, guy made numerous aggressive emails etc. Also complained to EBay who froze my EBay account and PayPal acct and went through a protracted process. Luckily they found in my favour, but when they freeze your account they can then do whatever they want – hypothetically they could have given him £5k if they deem it and you have very little you can do.

With regard to the threats, I also had his address so did a bit of snooping – you can find out a lot on Internet from an address. I found out his profession, who he lived with, his age, I found him on Facebook and luckily he hadn’t set up security so could see his piccys which told me was not some tough gangsta as he had been making out, but instead some fat ugly mid forties professional who holidayed annually in Cornwall with his ugly wife and revolting children. Took away some of the fear.

My advise – if it is not very much, just post the guy a cheque or trf some cash and re-sell on EBay - if he has any of your details and is a bit of a nutter, wouldn’t risk it – certainly these days where the police won’t do much to help you.

[Incognito]

With regard to the threats, I also had his address so did a bit of snooping – you can find out a lot on Internet from an address. I found out his profession, who he lived with, his age, I found him on Facebook and luckily he hadn’t set up security so could see his piccys which told me was not some tough gangsta as he had been making out, but instead some fat ugly mid forties professional who holidayed annually in Cornwall with his ugly wife and revolting children. Took away some of the fear.

How did that car work out for you in the end MF?

[diesel]

Bollocks, auction quite clearly stated 2 for 1. What part of that don't you equate to having to buy 1 to get 1 free.

As MF said (correct spelling this time) caveat emptor. If he has not done his due diligence then that is his fault. The sale was held outside of ebay and therefore does not concern them.

It is a civil matter so the police will not be interested and as it is small claims (<£5K) costs are not recoverable which means the guy won't have his 'fees paid'. He's trying it on.

Do not give the guy your address, if he is adamant he wants your address tell him to get a court to order disclosure from eBay (S.35 Data Protection Act) if he's that serious. Tell him you don't believe that is his purpose for seeking your address.

Whilst the Police won't get involved over civil matters they will get involved over harassment. Tell the chap on the phone that you are not refunding his money, any continued communication from him will be deemed harassment. If he contacts you again go down to the Police and advise them that the guy is harassing you. (If it helps you can tell the police the offence is Section 2(1) of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997).

You might want to stop trading off your current ebay account for a while incase the guy wins one of your auctions (with a different account) to obtain your address. Better be safe than sorry.

Just to clarify i do not reply to his phone messages and do not speak to him.

I just received another email last night and today from his, where he states EBay CS haev advised him to contact the police, and he now states he has a crime no. Honestly would the police get involved in this? I cant see where he could claim a crime has been committed?? ANd why would ebay get involved for a private sale?
He is intending to use this to proceed with small claims court to allow the court to contact ebay for my address! He is now stating he wants either a refund his money or provid him with a free trip!

Got to admit the guy when i met him come across very friendly and genuine, but i guess thats the role of a good con man. He does not admit any fault in that understanding what a 241 voucher means - what a

i am fed up with his phone messages and emails for over for just £50. Is it reasonable to reply to him and just say i will post this back as a postal order minus PO charges and recorded delivery? I prefer not to meet him in person to sort this out now.

any onehere had any bad experience of sales ending up in disputes?

[cailin maith]

Just to clarify i do not reply to his phone messages and do not speak to him.

I just received another email last night and today from his, where he states EBay CS haev advised him to contact the police, and he now states he has a crime no. Honestly would the police get involved in this? I cant see where he could claim a crime has been committed?? ANd why would ebay get involved for a private sale?
He is intending to use this to proceed with small claims court to allow the court to contact ebay for my address! He is now stating he wants either a refund his money or provid him with a free trip!

Got to admit the guy when i met him come across very friendly and genuine, but i guess thats the role of a good con man. He does not admit any fault in that understanding what a 241 voucher means - what a

i am fed up with his phone messages and emails for over for just £50. Is it reasonable to reply to him and just say i will post this back as a postal order minus PO charges and recorded delivery? I prefer not to meet him in person to sort this out now.

any onehere had any bad experience of sales ending up in disputes?

Tell him you want a note of his crime number as you intend to contact the police and eBay yourself.

I'd bet he hasn't actually done anything and is just trying it on.

[Arturo Bassick]

Just to clarify i do not reply to his phone messages and do not speak to him.[snip]

Have you contacted ebay?
If you have the threatening emails then you could go to the police as he is stalking and threatening you.

Have you contacted the holiday company to see if the voucher has been used?

Answer his phone call or text him and explain that you clearly stated it was a 241 offer (though I would not have recognized the significance of that straight away) and that you explained that when he purchased it. He did see it before handing over the cash.

He entered into a private purchase sold as seen. If he goes to court I suspect you will win. Particularly if you can prove he knew what he was buying.

Dont pay him. Call your phone provider and report him as a nuisance caller. Tag his email addy as SPAM. Change yours if you can.

[BlasterBates]

Just to clarify i do not reply to his phone messages and do not speak to him.

I just received another email last night and today from his, where he states EBay CS haev advised him to contact the police, and he now states he has a crime no. Honestly would the police get involved in this? I cant see where he could claim a crime has been committed?? ANd why would ebay get involved for a private sale?
He is intending to use this to proceed with small claims court to allow the court to contact ebay for my address! He is now stating he wants either a refund his money or provid him with a free trip!

Got to admit the guy when i met him come across very friendly and genuine, but i guess thats the role of a good con man. He does not admit any fault in that understanding what a 241 voucher means - what a

i am fed up with his phone messages and emails for over for just £50. Is it reasonable to reply to him and just say i will post this back as a postal order minus PO charges and recorded delivery? I prefer not to meet him in person to sort this out now.

any onehere had any bad experience of sales ending up in disputes?

Fully agree with you do that.

Don't listen to all "macho" stuff on here, just sort it out. You can always sell it again on E-bay, quicker than dealing with some disgruntled punter.

He's just p"""d off he threw away £50 but as soon as you agree he'll calm down again. I have to say I get really angry when I buy something I didn't think it was, and yes I would get irate if someone refused to take it back, good he shouldn't have come out with the stuff about his brother, but fully in his rights to go legal, even if he's wrong. You're right he should have read your description but it sometimes isn't easy to understand what these vouchers are. They are designed to con people anyway, and for some people not earning much £50 is a big deal.

[Incognito]

Just to clarify i do not reply to his phone messages and do not speak to him.

I just received another email last night and today from his, where he states EBay CS haev advised him to contact the police, and he now states he has a crime no. Honestly would the police get involved in this? I cant see where he could claim a crime has been committed?? ANd why would ebay get involved for a private sale?
He is intending to use this to proceed with small claims court to allow the court to contact ebay for my address! He is now stating he wants either a refund his money or provid him with a free trip!

Got to admit the guy when i met him come across very friendly and genuine, but i guess thats the role of a good con man. He does not admit any fault in that understanding what a 241 voucher means - what a

i am fed up with his phone messages and emails for over for just £50. Is it reasonable to reply to him and just say i will post this back as a postal order minus PO charges and recorded delivery? I prefer not to meet him in person to sort this out now.

any onehere had any bad experience of sales ending up in disputes?

The police won't get involved, this is a civil law matter. If you went to Dixons and bought a TV that didn't work and then tried to take it back and they refused could you involve the police? No. It is outside their jurisdiction, the law involving interactions between private individuals is completely different to the law surrounding the individual and that state. Think Java and .Net. Completely different.

E-mail him advising him you consider this harassment and have gone to the police yourself.

Your rights when you buy from a private seller

Internet auctions are websites where you buy items by bidding for them. Buyers usually bid against each other and the highest bid ‘wins’ and buys the item. If you buy an item from an internet auction, it’s usually classed as a ‘private sale’. This is because you don’t buy from the auction website itself, but from individual sellers who list items they want to sell. This means:

• the auction website doesn't have to accept responsibility if things go wrong with the item
• you only have the right to return the item if it doesn't match the description given by the seller or it wasn't theirs to sell

A private seller doesn’t have to meet rules that businesses must, ie that items sold must be of satisfactory quality and fit for purpose. This is because a private seller is not qualified to judge if an item meets these rules, eg that a printer is fit for the purpose of printing from your PC.

Internet auctions - your rights : Directgov - Government, citizens and rights

You don't have to give in, you are not in the wrong. If you cave in the guy will likely try this out with someone else. He took this outside of ebay for a reason. He knows how the system works, if he tried this out on ebay then it's quite clear your listing has detailed exactly what he was getting and he wouldn't get his money back.

[Incognito]

I have to say I get really angry when I buy something I didn't think it was, and yes I would get irate if someone refused to take it back

If you're too simple to fully understand what you're actually buying then that's your problem. Why should someone have to take it back because you're a thick ****?

Caveat emptor is not just some phrase people bandy about. If you stood up in front of a judge and said

"I bought something I didn't think it was and he wouldn't take it back"

You'd be told to get the **** out of his court and stop wasting his time.

There is a legal rule which applies to all goods bought privately. It is called 'caveat emptor', which means 'let the buyer beware'. Because of this, any responsibility for buying goods which are faulty lies with the buyer, and not with the private seller.

[BlasterBates]

If you're too simple to fully understand what you're actually buying then that's your problem. Why should someone have to take it back because you're a thick ****?

Caveat emptor is not just some phrase people bandy about. If you stood up in front of a judge and said

"I bought something I didn't think it was and he wouldn't take it back"

You'd be told to get the **** out of his court and stop wasting his time.

Why do you think shops allow you to take stuff back? They don't have to do they?

Have a big think about it.