Scotland to join euro

[sasguru]

It was their failure to carry out operation sealion and end the war in the West that allowed the US to enter the war. Had they succeeded in Ending the war with Britain they could have used the resources they had to fight in the East.

Playing what-if scenarios can go on forever. EVen if they had subdued ENgland it is by no means certain that Russia would not have ultimately prevailed.

[sasguru]

WHS.

No point alerting sasguru to the facts though, his frazzled butterfly brain will have flitted off onto some other arena of discussion that he fails to understand by now.

SB on your death bed, will all your moronic comments on CUK flash before your eyes.?
Because that seems to be the sum total of your life achievement.
You'd probably be an embarassment to your kids but as the apple doesn't fall far from the tree they don't know any better.

[BlasterBates]

It was their failure to carry out operation sealion and end the war in the West that allowed the US to enter the war. Had they succeeded in Ending the war with Britain they could have used the resources they had to fight in the East.

The Germans had no chance of invading simply because of the Royal Navy, either the biggest or second biggest fleet in the world at the time. The Germans had a handful of ships. The Germans would have been blown out the water.

Sealion was not really a viable plan.

Just imagine if you are in a flimsy boat crossing the channel facing a destroyer, and you don't have a destroyer escorting you because you don't have one.

[JamJarST]

The Germans had no chance of invading simply because of the Royal Navy, either the biggest or second biggest fleet in the world at the time. The Germans had a handful of ships. The Germans would have been blown out the water.

Sealion was not really a viable plan.

Just imagine if you are in a flimsy boat crossing the channel facing a destroyer, and you don't have a destroyer escorting you because you don't have one.

Not really true is it. The channel was a no go area for the Royal Navy because of the Luftwaffe. It was also a no go area fro the Kriegs Marine because of the RAF, hence the reasons for the Battle of Britain. Whoever had air superiority could cross the channel.

[shaunbhoy]

The channel was a no go area for the Royal Navy because of the Luftwaffe.

Don't agree with that. A combination of the channel AND the strength of the Royal Navy was what thwarted Sealion. That coupled with a lack of suitable vessels for transportation of troops and materials, and the fact that all port facilities in the South East would have been destroyed prior to any assault would have prevented the Germans being able to adequately support and supply any large scale landing.
Of course German Paras could have been dropped in to try and form some sort of Bridgehead, but lack of supplies and numbers would ultimately have forced their surrender. The "success" of Dunkirk ensured this.

[shaunbhoy]

Because that seems to be the sum total of your life achievement.

If my achievements in life are diametrically opposed to what you regard as successful, then I will deem my life to have been worthwhile.
And as for apples falling from trees, if any of your offspring look like offering much, you might want to grab hold of your Polish gardener and ask him to chip in with their School Fees.

[swamp]

Not really true is it. The channel was a no go area for the Royal Navy because of the Luftwaffe. It was also a no go area fro the Kriegs Marine because of the RAF, hence the reasons for the Battle of Britain. Whoever had air superiority could cross the channel.

Rubbish.

The Royal Navy were tucked away in Scarpa Flow which was inaccessable by the Luftwaffe bombers, but they were only ever 24 hours from action in the channel.

If the RAF sat at base making tea all war, then Operation Sealion would still have been a disaster for the Germans. The Royal Navy would have smashed the invasion flotilla. They would have taken a pounding themselves for sure, but it would be a turkey shoot.

In fact if the Royal Navy sat in Scarpa Flow drinking rum all war while the RAF were on permanent tea break leaving only Dad's Army to protect England, then Operation Sealion would still have been a disaster for the Germans. Why? Because they planned to use river barges to cross the channel. These would have sunk in anything over sea state one and most of the Wehrmacht would have drowned in the channel before Churchil could finish his breakfast.

[Churchill]

Rubbish.

The Royal Navy were tucked away in Scarpa Flow which was inaccessable by the Luftwaffe bombers, but they were only ever 24 hours from action in the channel.

If the RAF sat at base making tea all war, then Operation Sealion would still have been a disaster for the Germans. The Royal Navy would have smashed the invasion flotilla. They would have taken a pounding themselves for sure, but it would be a turkey shoot.

In fact if the Royal Navy sat in Scarpa Flow drinking rum all war while the RAF were on permanent tea break leaving only Dad's Army to protect England, then Operation Sealion would still have been a disaster for the Germans. Why? Because they planned to use river barges to cross the channel. These would have sunk in anything over sea state one and most of the Wehrmacht would have drowned in the channel before Churchil could finish his breakfast.

Scapa Flow

[BlasterBates]

Not really true is it. The channel was a no go area for the Royal Navy because of the Luftwaffe. It was also a no go area fro the Kriegs Marine because of the RAF, hence the reasons for the Battle of Britain. Whoever had air superiority could cross the channel.

Well I learned this from a German history programme, which included interviews with German officers, so I think it is true.

The "Kriegsmarine" was a joke, very few ships, who spent most of the war hiding. There were only two or three ships of note that spent most of their time hiding from the Royal Navy.

For the Luftwaffe to have been a threat to the Royal navy they would have needed air superiority; they didn't have it and didn't even get close, and even then it isn't enough. Air superiority in the Soviet Union did them a fat lot of good. The idea that the Luftwaffe would destroy all Britain's planes with factories producing them on weekly basis, is rather stretching fantasy.

The DDay invasion was a magnitude of 10 compared to what the Germans could have possibly achieved.

[minestrone]

I think the Nazi thinking was that Britain would eventually fall into line and work with them in some respect. Old Adolf quite respected us and invasion was not top on his list.