Plan B - Become a burglar

[Mason Boyne]

What puzzles me is why 4 burglars?

Seems like quite a lot of people just to rob a house.

[NotAllThere]

Not really a viable plan B. No matter what happens to the defender, one of the burglars hasn't exactly got away scot free. If the other burglars are caught, they should all be charged with manslaughter, on the basis that as a direct result of them committing a crime, someone died.

My view is that deadly force to stop someone committing a crime is "reasonable force". Once the crime is prevented if the burglar is still alive, then further application of force should remain illegal.

OTOH, if the intruder wasn't committing a crime, then expect a life sentence for murder.

[Spacecadet]

What puzzles me is why 4 burglars?

Seems like quite a lot of people just to rob a house.

52" TV's are quite heavy

[TimberWolf]

What puzzles me is why 4 burglars?

Seems like quite a lot of people just to rob a house.

And why hooded, and how with such overwhelming numbers does one of them end up getting fatally wounded. Presumably there were not armed. It does sound as if there is more to this story.

[xoggoth]

As Xoggy said he should of saved the other barrel for the second scumbag and claimed the boy was tripping down the stairs he couldn't afford / manage to repair because they kept stealing his stuff or was going back for a weapon.

I said that? Can't remember doing so. Darn it, I must be more senile than I thought.

[wim121]

Family arrested for defending their home from a gang of masked intruders and killing one of them.

No word of police bothering to try arresting the rest of the burglary gang.

What's the point of working for a living any more? Even if the government allow you access to enough of your money to furnish your property with a few luxury possessions, they're open season for anyone who wants to break in and take them.

Madness.

Indeed.

The one time I wish we were yanks. At least over there, you can defend your property. In states like Florida, it is legal to kill someone else if you feel your life is in danger, whether in private or public.

There are several aspects to this we don't know

The burglar may well have been known to householder and this was part of an on going feud.
The burglar could have been threatened, was leaving and was then stabbed.
The householders could have been totally un-cooperative with the police leaving them no option but to arrest.

And finally, you can't just kill someone because they're in your house and any death should be properly investigated.

Doesnt matter ....

If someone is in your house, you could be vulnerable, relaxing or sleeping. There is no mistaken intent, such as someone waving their arms around in the street. They have violated your threshold. Therefore, ANY force against an intruder while you are vulnerable is reasonable.

I can tell you now, if a theif ever burst in to my home, I would endeavour to render them completely immobile in that same room. Anything less would be a dereliction of my duties and evolution as well. As creatures, we have a deep seated instinct to protect our property and family, it's simple biology. I wouldnt care about their life, if they died, or it transpired I used too much force the answer is quite simple, dont call the police and get rid of the corpse!

What if they burst past me because I didnt use enough force? What if they murdered or raped a sleeping child upstairs? Then I would have committed a criminal offense by not safeguarding them.


Once a lowlife violates your threshold, you should be able to do anything you like. They relinquish any civil or human rights the moment they break the declaration of civil rights and the letter of the law against you.


Furthermore, if the police try to prosecute the victim, not only are they gross lowlifes that deserve to die, they are also violating the human rights declaration.

The quote below assures EVERY person in every UN country full protection under all thirty articles. You have the right to your own privacy, correspondence, family and most importantly home. Any interference by individuals or state should not be allowed and the victim given full protection by law.

Article 12.

No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

[Mason Boyne]

It turns out that the burglar was on police bail for a burglary offence at the time.

Bloody typical, plod bail him and he goes and gets knifed - poetic justice.

[Spacecadet]

Indeed.

The one time I wish we were yanks. At least over there, you can defend your property. In states like Florida, it is legal to kill someone else if you feel your life is in danger, whether in private or public.

The yanks legal system doesn't take too kindly to intruders being shot as they are trying to escape. Agreed most states allow you to shoot without warning but if the intruder was clearly retreating, i.e. the police turn up and the would be burglar has been shot in the back and is still half hanging out of the window then chances are you will face prosecution.

Doesnt matter ....

They all matter, points 1 and 3 I made relate simply to the householder commuting (or potentially committing) a crime and using the pretext of a burglary to get away with it.
Point 2 is that if the intruder has been scared off and is making an exit then any force is now unreasonable.(see above)

[wim121]

What puzzles me is why 4 burglars?

Seems like quite a lot of people just to rob a house.

52" TV's are quite heavy

Indeed space.

Also many gangs will clear a house very quickly within minutes, backing a van up to the door.

Some very organised ones will scope out a house months beforehand and be very methodical in doing so.

My grandparents were robbed by one member climbing on top of a flat roof, removing a glass window from the frame, climbing in then a gang of over five people clearing the house of valuables.

What upset my grandparents the most, is the sentiments of what cant be replaced from long ago and abroad.

I don't get drunk and upset people because I might get a beating, I don't steal because I might end up in prison. Fear motivates many to be good, Morals are just a nice way of describing it, maybe fear will stop burglars destroying people's lives.

Our old neighbour spent years under mental health after finding a burglar in her house as she stepped out of her shower. My mother cried when she saw the mess after two professional burglars on bail robbed our house & 30 others, they had stolen a couple of shotguns, good job we were out?

Well said.

Ive had family broken in to, back at my childhood house as well, an outbuilding was broken in to. No home invasions myself yet, however I have had a few car break ins and theft attempts.

Even after just that experience though, I kinda developed an obsession with locks. Will lock the car up, then run back and do a walk around check again. Will check the locks on the house at least five times on each lock before retiring for the night.

I can quite see how many people feel so grossly violated by some scumbag breaking in to their home. A persons home is almost as personal as their own body and many victims of home break ins show similar traumatic stress displayed by victims of rape.

[wim121]

The yanks legal system doesn't take too kindly to intruders being shot as they are trying to escape. Agreed most states allow you to shoot without warning but if the intruder was clearly retreating, i.e. the police turn up and the would be burglar has been shot in the back and is still half hanging out of the window then chances are you will face prosecution.



They all matter, points 1 and 3 I made relate simply to the householder commuting (or potentially committing) a crime and using the pretext of a burglary to get away with it.
Point 2 is that if the intruder has been scared off and is making an exit then any force is now unreasonable.(see above)

Retreating, yes .....


But I say any theif is fair game regardless of what the law says .....

That's why I wouldnt ever report apprehending a theif, instead I would deal with it myself because Im already well aware justice doesnt exist for victims ....