Can someone please explain what this is all about?

[Mich the Tester]

I dont quite agree with you. I think we should concentrate on the small aspects of their what they call "customs". Those that are at odds with our own. The wearing of the Bhurka is probably enforced as much by women as by men. I am pretty sure that Burkha wearing women become institutionalised by what they wear and cannot stand other younger women, say (their daughters) enjoying freedoms they did not. It would also send a message that if people wish to come and live here they do so under our terms and not theirs. they will respect this. The outlawing of the wearing of the burkha is absolutely the right thing to do.

But are we talking about people who have 'come to live here' or people who were born in and grew up in western societies and at some point have started wearing a burqa by choice or otherwise? It's an important distinction; you can't get rid of people who were born here and have always had a European nationality.

[DodgyAgent]

But are we talking about people who have 'come to live here' or people who were born in and grew up in western societies and at some point have started wearing a burqa by choice or otherwise? It's an important distinction; you can't get rid of people who were born here and have always had a European nationality.

The burkha is a symbol of sexism. We are not allowed to discriminate against women in the workplace even though there are perfectly legitimate reasons for doing so, such as employing a balance of men and women, such as women are likely to leave and have babies. There may indeed be perfectly legitimate reasons for women to cover themselves but I am pretty sure that they are being controlled by others. perhaps some research should prove it, but I cannot think of one reasonable reason why a human being should cover its face.

[Mich the Tester]

The burkha is a symbol of sexism. We are not allowed to discriminate against women in the workplace even though there are perfectly legitimate reasons for doing so, such as employing a balance of men and women, such as women are likely to leave and have babies. There may indeed be perfectly legitimate reasons for women to cover themselves but I am pretty sure that they are being controlled by others. perhaps some research should prove it, but I cannot think of one reasonable reason why a human being should cover its face.

Yes, I also suspect that many of those women are being forced to wear the burqa, and that some are then forcing their own kids to do the same. Trouble is, if you ban it then those who are forced to cover their faces can't get outside and start soaking up the influences that could liberate them, simply because their menfolk won't let them out. I don't think there are easy solutions to this. I think the ban rather perversely helps the mysonigist bastards who oppress thier womenfolk.

[DodgyAgent]

Yes, I also suspect that many of those women are being forced to wear the burqa, and that some are then forcing their own kids to do the same. Trouble is, if you ban it then those who are forced to cover their faces can't get outside and start soaking up the influences that could liberate them, simply because their menfolk won't let them out. I don't think there are easy solutions to this. I think the ban rather perversely helps the mysonigist bastards who oppress thier womenfolk.

Do you think they would go that far? I am not sure they would. At least making the wearing of the Burqa illegal would give those that are half hearted about enforcing it an excuse to put an end to it. The extremists will do anything to suppress their women legal or illegal so I dont think there is anything to lose by introducing legislation.

[Mich the Tester]

Do you think they would go that far? I am not sure they would. At least making the wearing of the Burqa illegal would give those that are half hearted about enforcing it an excuse to put an end to it. The extremists will do anything to suppress their women legal or illegal so I dont think there is anything to lose by introducing legislation.

Yes, I think some men really will go so far as to lock their womenfolk up, or at least threaten them with all sorts of nastiness if they leave the house uncovered. I also think that if that can be proven, it should carry a long prison sentence.

However I'm always a bit concerned about the idea of adding extra legislation; it's a blunt weapon and the use of it always has unintended consequences.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Do you think they would go that far?

Yes, without question.

[TimberWolf]

Every wondered what burqa/hijab/etc clad women look like under their skirts?



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[russell]

Ban them I say, in fact ban all clothes for women. :-p

[DodgyAgent]

Yes, without question.

I am afraid that you are suggesting a liberal cop out. It will make it very inconvenient for the oppressive to force their women to stay indoors. Who does the shopping? As I said it will send a message to these people that they have to comply to UK law, which as I said before they will respect.
By not interfering we are denying people rights that the rest of us enjoy. Whilst i accept the fact that there may be unintended consequences we already have age/race/sex discrimination laws

[NotAllThere]

I saw a woman wearing a Burkha in town a few days ago. It wasn't until I walked past her, I realised she was in fact a nun.

IIRC Turkey has also banned headscarves from schools.

Banning certain items of clothing from schools and other institutions seems perfectly reasonable to me. Banning them from being worn in public areas is entirely another matter. OTOH, items that offend public decency have always been against the law. I suppose this approaches the same issue from the other side.