The next German Chancellor will be a Green

[DimPrawn]

I watched "Presse Club" on Sunday, the German Sunday journalists talkshow. This is what the exit from Atomic power means. In 2013 due to the fact that several atomic powerstations will have been switched off and the suppliers will have to buy extra electricity from abroad and expand fossil fuel generation, Electricity prices will be up by 50% (due to having to buy Carbon trading certificates). It would be impossible for producers to replace it with renewables, compunded by the fact that all generators are now refusing to pay into the renewable energy fund, because they have to close Nuclear power stations. For Germany's chemical, steel, aluminium and paper industry, who's costs are approx 50% energy means they will no longer be able to compete, they're now making noises about being subsidised. As the chief editor of the "Handelsblatt" said Germany would have to become a service economy.

Sounds like deindustrialisation to me,

Back to the caves.

Ugg.

[doodab]

I watched "Presse Club" on Sunday, the German Sunday journalists talkshow. This is what the exit from Atomic power means. In 2013 due to the fact that several atomic powerstations will have been switched off and the suppliers will have to buy extra electricity from abroad and expand fossil fuel generation, Electricity prices will be up by 50% (due to having to buy Carbon trading certificates). It would be impossible for producers to replace it with renewables, compunded by the fact that all generators are now refusing to pay into the renewable energy fund, because they have to close Nuclear power stations. For Germany's chemical, steel, aluminium and paper industry, who's costs are approx 50% energy means they will no longer be able to compete, they're now making noises about being subsidised. As the chief editor of the "Handelsblatt" said Germany would have to become a service economy.

Sounds like deindustrialisation to me,

Sounds like scaremongering to me. Apparently the three month moratorium will cost the energy companies something like €575m. I can't imagine that has anything to do with it.

[BlasterBates]

It's not the moratorium, in fact energy prices won't be affected this year, the main problem is actually the "Carbon Trading Certificates". Basically due to EU rules in 2013 there will be (massive) surcharges on fossil fuel generation, and bitter reality is that if you shut down atomic power you replace it with fossil fuel, just a fact of life, because renewables don't produce much most of the time. Of course maybe in 20 years maybe the North-Sea will be producing massive amounts of cheap energy, in the meantime because there's no global "carbon" treaty, countries like Brazil, China and India will be competing with their cheap energy and Europe get's saddled with huge elecricity bills.

[doodab]

It's not the moratorium, in fact energy prices won't be affected this year, the main problem is actually the "Carbon Trading Certificates". Basically due to EU rules in 2013 there will be (massive) surcharges on fossil fuel generation, and bitter reality is that if you shut down atomic power you replace it with fossil fuel, just a fact of life, because renewables don't produce much most of the time. Of course maybe in 20 years maybe the North-Sea will be producing massive amounts of cheap energy, in the meantime because there's no global "carbon" treaty, countries like Brazil, China and India will be competing with their cheap energy and Europe get's saddled with huge elecricity bills.

The plan to build more coal fired power stations was in place before the decision to prolong the life of nuclear power stations was made in the first place. It's hardly a major surprise.

[BlasterBates]

The plan to build more coal fired power stations was in place before the decision to prolong the life of nuclear power stations was made in the first place. It's hardly a major surprise.

No the current government had reversed the Atomic shut down, but now they've reversed that (double reverse), with the net effect that all the carbon savings they've made over the last few years will be wiped out, as pointed out by the editor of the Handelsblatt.

[doodab]

The plan to build more coal fired power stations was in place before the decision to prolong the life of nuclear power stations was made in the first place. It's hardly a major surprise.

No the current government had reversed the Atomic shut down, but now they've reversed that (double reverse), with the net effect that all the carbon savings they've made over the last few years will be wiped out, as pointed out by the editor of the Handelsblatt.

There were always plans to build more coal fired power stations. There has been since well before they decided to extend the life of the nuclear power stations. The plans were not cancelled when they decided to extend the life of the nuclear power stations. Ergo, they knew and have always known they were going to build more coal fired power stations because they have been planning to do so all along. So the cost of carbon trading credits ought not to be a surprise.

[BlasterBates]

There were always plans to build more coal fired power stations. There has been since well before they decided to extend the life of the nuclear power stations. The plans were not cancelled when they decided to extend the life of the nuclear power stations. Ergo, they knew and have always known they were going to build more coal fired power stations because they have been planning to do so all along. So the cost of carbon trading credits ought not to be a surprise.

Kosten für Energiewende: Steuerzahlerbund warnt Merkel vor Verfassungsbruch - Deutschland - Politik - Handelsblatt

Ein Turbo-Atomausstieg wird nach Einschätzung von Experten immense Kosten verursachen

Which means a shutting down Atomic power stations will cost an enormous amount of money.

[shaunbhoy]

The next German Chancellor will be a Green what though?

[Mich the Tester]

The next German Chancellor will be a Green what though?