Mid East Crisis

[Incognito]

Judaism is a religion my friend, not a race or nationality.

What's your point caller or is this just the random point in this specific thread when you throw that statement in?

I've categorically stated through this thread that the land is Israeli, not Jewish. As so:

Israel has every right to protect their own land

The fact I stated 'It was a Jewish land when the Arabs and the 'West' were still barking at the moon.' is more to do with the fact that the name of the land has changed over the generations yet the people still retain the same identity. So yes, well done 'Judaism is a religion' can we get back on topic then?

So do they mention the Philistines?


Now sucked into wikipedia: Timeline of the name Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

'c.1150 BCE: Medinet Habu (temple): records a people called the P-r-s-t (conventionally Peleset) among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign.[1]'

They do actually as seen below. Still not the heartland of Israel though is it. I believe Ashdod was its own vassal state around 800BC though. So not technically a Philistine city.



Israel around 830BC

[Churchill]

What's your point caller or is this just the random point in this specific thread when you throw that statement in?

I've categorically stated through this thread that the land is Israeli, not Jewish. As so:



The fact I stated 'It was a Jewish land when the Arabs and the 'West' were still barking at the moon.' is more to do with the fact that the name of the land has changed over the generations yet the people still retain the same identity. So yes, well done 'Judaism is a religion' can we get back on topic then?




They do actually as seen below. Still not the heartland of Israel though is it. I believe Ashdod was its own vassal state around 800BC though. So not technically a Philistine city.



Israel around 830BC

Just separating church and state dear boy.

No need to get so rattled.

[xoggoth]

Always find these arguments about the origins of Israel and who lived there first quite irrelevant. As John Wayne (my new Guru) said:

If everything isn't black and white, I say, "Why the hell not?

Unpleasant as Israel may be, the wall on Palestinian land, the occupation of the West bank, the rules that allow annexation of land from Arabs after a few years, an almost theist state that does not even allow secular marriage, the reported racism of Israelis, the lobbying for a totally one sided approach by the UN, there is a more important fact about Judaism. It is not an aggressive political philosophy like Islam and it does not threaten our own society.

Bollux to all your morality and ethics and your fine analysis of history. Who cares? Go with human nature and the knee jerk reactions it equipped you with for your survival. Care for yourself, your family, your friends, your neighbours, your nation and the people like you in that order. All else is drivel. My only concern is the society that I and my children will have to live in and I want that society to be a secular one with rational laws based on what works.

So bollux to Palestine, three cheers for Israel. I really do not give a damn about your morality or your history.

[xoggoth]

PS In Westerns I always side with the cowboys too. All that hollering is annoying.

[Spacecadet]

This:
United Nations General Assembly Resolution 273 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Is the only real legal right Israel has to protect itself

[EternalOptimist]

[lilelvis2000]

there is a more important fact about Judaism. It is not an aggressive political philosophy like Islam and it does not threaten our own society.

There are some who would say that Judaism is running our societies.

[lilelvis2000]

Does this mean I can claim a parcel of land in Ethiopia?

[Paddy]

NO!! I assume you refer to the Ashkenazi
Jews originating in central and eastern Europe.

This nonsense about not inheriting a common Middle Eastern semitic genebase is just that; nonsense. Some would say antisemitic nonsense.

Jews of Khazaria, map, brief history and other resources « Divining the News (DTN)

“REMARKABLY, the Khazars, a people of Turkic origin, converted to the Jewish religion sometime in the 9th century, beginning with the royal house and spreading gradually among the general populace. Judaism is now known to have been more widespread among the Khazar inhabitants of the Khazar kingdom than was previously thought. In 1999, Russian archaeologists announced that they had successfully reconstructed a Khazarian vessel from the Don River region, revealing 4 inscriptions of the word “Israel” in Hebrew lettering. It is now the accepted opinion among most scholars in the field that the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism was widespread, and not limited merely to the royal house and nobility. Ibn al-Faqih, in fact, wrote “All of the Khazars are Jews.” Christian of Stavelot wrote in 864 that “all of them profess the Jewish faith in its entirety.” Click here to view the full article and links to the original source.

[EC4N]

They do actually as seen below. Still not the heartland of Israel though is it. I believe Ashdod was its own vassal state around 800BC though. So not technically a Philistine city.

That's 'eretz Yisrael' which the Israelis are are hoping to capture when the messiah arrives. But try looking at historical facts as they are.