Mid East Crisis

[Spacecadet]

Quite, it all belongs to Cthulhu really

That which eternal lies, in strange eons even death may die...

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Most people I know are pro Israel rather than Anti. Having been to Israel and quite a few middle eastern countries as well, I know which side I'm on and they don't wear towels on their head.

The Torah's far older than any other brainwashing artefact you may care to refer to. It was a Jewish land when the Arabs and the 'West' were still barking at the moon. Yerushalayim has always been seen as the capital of the Kingdom of David.

Israel has every right to protect their own land in what ever way they see fit.

Your picture represents what you write on these forums i.e. bollox.

How about I changed "Israel has every right to protect their own land in what ever way they see fit" to:
"Palestine has every right to protect their own land in what ever way they see fit"

Everybody bangs on about Israel having a right to exist and it does exist. But what about Palestines right to exist - thats whats actually under threat. Dont give me some trash about Israel being ancient etc. Before Palestine became Israel Muslims, Christians and Jews all lived in that land. What would be fair is if everybody in that area of Israel/Palestine lived under one state as equal citizens. Let's not forget that Palestine is not just a Muslim issue, there are plenty of Christians and Christian sites e.g. Bethleham.

Sanctions? They are allowed goods which cannot be used against Israel, this includes medicine and food.
The wall? It serves its purpose, no more suicide bombings

Yep your definitely an extreme zionist. Just being a zionist would not be sufficient for saying the above crap. Just out of interest could you give me a statistic for the number of Israelies killed vs the number of Palestinians? Or is it just that 100 Palestinians dying for every Israeli is too much? Yep their blood is much cheaper isn't it?

A lot of these problems wouldn't exist if the Arabs hadn't started rattling their sabres in '67. You wouldn't have the issue over East Jerusalem as it would still have been in Jordanian hands. The way Israel see it is tough tulip. They are deliberately building settlements in the east as they are attempting (through peaceful means) to ensure that Jerusalem is seen as a complete Jewish city by the time any peace accord is signed.

Perhaps it would be easier if people knew something about what they commented on. Too many leftist tree huggers will have you believe Israel bad and everything Arab good. Well that's not quite how it works. You visit Jerusalem and you'll find that the Israelis actually cede authority and management of the temple mount to the Islamic Waqf (google them AssG as no doubt you haven't a clue) and again as an other example of bending over to the Arabs, the only people allowed to pray on the mount are muslims. No matter it is religiously relevant to three religions.

The Israeli state is definitely good to its own jewish people and that is something that arab leaders should strive to achieve and something the arabs are trying to achieve themselves through peaceful protest. Additionally it is a good thing that Israel values its own jewish citizens so much and treats every jewish persons blood as sacred. However all humans should be equal from that point of view - all our blood should be valued. Also you banging on about Islam has little to do with this argument - this is a simple matter of oppression - agreed there are worse oppressors out there e.g. Gaddafi/Saddam but that doesn't mean that Israel is not a terrorist and oppressive state.

Read the following article, it disproves most of the BBC crap that the left spout over here:

http://www.solomonstemple.com/2010/1...-on-jerusalem/

Try visiting Israel sometime and being objective. I did and I crossed quite freely into the West Bank and certainly didn't see much evidence of an oppressed, impoverished people there.

Yeah I guess having you and your family kicked out of their homes and land to build settlements doesn't count as oppression. Also having 99.9% of water go to settlements and the remaining 0.1% (slight exaguration though only very slight) going to Palestinians is not oppressive in any way or form....

Israel wants to get on by itself, the Arabs just want to destroy Israel. Who's the aggressor?

Arabs are a vast race stretching from Morocco to Sudan to the UAE. Every arab nation is different. However, nobody likes to have a terrorist next door and before you say that the arabs are the real terrorists just refer to the statistics of the lebanon war:
Vast Majority of those killed by terrorist "hezbollah" were soldiers
Vast Majority (over 95%) of the 1000 + lebanese killed were civilians

At the end of the day history is there for all to read.

[Churchill]

What I said was:



If you take from that statement that I'm saying god gave it to them then you're an idiot. Clearly. Either that or deliberately twisting my words.

The Book of Genesis and the Torah are known to predate Christ. Not thought, known. They may be full of pish, but they quite clearly refer to the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. There is no mention of the word Palestine.

Judaism is a religion my friend, not a race or nationality.

[Old Greg]

There is no mention of the word Palestine.

So do they mention the Philistines?


Now sucked into wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...name_Palestine

'c.1150 BCE: Medinet Habu (temple): records a people called the P-r-s-t (conventionally Peleset) among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign.[1]'

[Gibbon]

I blame

Imperator Caesar Divi Traiani filius Traianus Hadrianus Augustus

[Churchill]

I blame

Imperator Caesar Divi Traiani filius Traianus Hadrianus Augustus

Yeah, what did the Romans ever do for us?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Judaism is a religion my friend, not a race or nationality.

Judaism is a religion, being Jewish is not. Hence you can get Athiest Jews and you need to have one parent being a Jew before you are considered a jew by race.

[Churchill]

Judaism is a religion, being Jewish is not. Hence you can get Athiest Jews and you need to have one parent being a Jew before you are considered a jew by race.

Your Mother!

[EternalOptimist]

Anyone who doesnt realise that humans have migrated through this area for a million years, and the people who may have lived there for the last 4,000 years are simply the latest squatters is sadly lacking in education

[Churchill]

Anyone who doesnt realise that humans have migrated through this area for a million years, and the people who may have lived there for the last 4,000 years are simply the latest squatters is sadly lacking in education

Oh FFS, don't introduce common sense into the equation.