This should raise the blood pressure

[Shimano105]

Why should that matter? He is the criminal here you know, what the criminal and his family feel shouldn't really matter in a normal world.

How would he be treated if did his crime in his country of origin?

Is that the best retort you can come up with?

[xoggoth]

Nothing to do with colour or class but solely about not being a citizen. No rights without corresponding duties and responsibilities. Yes, he should be deported because Britain has no responsibility for his welfare, that rests with his own country. On the other hand, our government does have a general responsibility for protecting its own citizens who pay for it.

PS Every case like this increases predudice for the decent migrant.

[Bagpuss]

The judges were also told of Ibrahim's convictions, including a further incident of driving while disqualified in 2006, harassment and possession of drugs.

[GillsMan]

To answer why the sentence should be harsher for an immigrant than for a British citizen (and I'm about as anti-British as you can get without strapping bombs to myself and sitting on the tube), the simple answer is that British by birth or by descent is a right. But being given indefinite leave to remain here is a privilege. And that privilege should be taken away if you abuse the laws of the land.

What I don't understand is why Lee Hughes got 6 years (out in far less of course) while this chap only got 4 months. Both hit and runs weren't they? Shame Hughes got to resume his footballing career.

[thunderlizard]

How would he be treated if did his crime in his country of origin?

That's also not relevant. Crime in Britain, punishment in Britain. Unless you think we our nationalities give us a free pass to ignore foreign laws wherever we go in the world.

[gingerjedi]

To answer why the sentence should be harsher for an immigrant than for a British citizen (and I'm about as anti-British as you can get without strapping bombs to myself and sitting on the tube), the simple answer is that British by birth or by descent is a right. But being given indefinite leave to remain here is a privilege. And that privilege should be taken away if you abuse the laws of the land.

What I don't understand is why Lee Hughes got 6 years (out in far less of course) while this chap only got 4 months. Both hit and runs weren't they? Shame Hughes got to resume his footballing career.

Do you live in Britain?

[Bagpuss]

To answer why the sentence should be harsher for an immigrant than for a British citizen (and I'm about as anti-British as you can get without strapping bombs to myself and sitting on the tube), the simple answer is that British by birth or by descent is a right. But being given indefinite leave to remain here is a privilege. And that privilege should be taken away if you abuse the laws of the land.

What I don't understand is why Lee Hughes got 6 years (out in far less of course) while this chap only got 4 months. Both hit and runs weren't they? Shame Hughes got to resume his footballing career.

From what I understand this guy only fled after the ambulance came and later handed himself into the police, so he probably got some mitigation on his sentence. Perhaps Mr Hughes was driving dangerously and didn't hand himself in which would increase the sentence. It would also depend how early a guilty plea was given then of course how the Judge felt on that day. However, don't ever confuse the Legal system with Justice, as a solicitor once said to me.

[VectraMan]

To answer why the sentence should be harsher for an immigrant than for a British citizen (and I'm about as anti-British as you can get without strapping bombs to myself and sitting on the tube), the simple answer is that British by birth or by descent is a right. But being given indefinite leave to remain here is a privilege. And that privilege should be taken away if you abuse the laws of the land.

That doesn't answer the question. He was allowed to stay because of human rights, which being a human he has. Being British gets you extra rights above that, but you don't have to be British to get human rights, or for that matter, law abiding. At least not in the eyes of the British legal system.

I can understand why people are upset by this sort of thing, and think it's loony leftism gone too far. But having these principles has to be better than not having these principles, and the principle is only worth something if it applies to all.

Otherwise where does it end? If ATW gets a parking ticket tomorrow, do we deport him for not respecting the laws of the land?

[lilelvis2000]

From what I understand this guy only fled after the ambulance came and later handed himself into the police, so he probably got some mitigation on his sentence. Perhaps Mr Hughes was driving dangerously and didn't hand himself in which would increase the sentence. It would also depend how early a guilty plea was given then of course how the Judge felt on that day. However, don't ever confuse the Legal system with Justice, as a solicitor once said to me.

Dangerous driving laws are very weak in the UK as compared to the USA and other countries. The guy has been caught driving illegally four times and still he continues on. Clearly it is cheaper and simpler for him to do that.

The media seem surprised that illegals are hitching up with EU and English women to stay. that's been going around the communities for about five years now. What amazes me is that the kids he claims to be a father to...are not actually his!

The wife and I were discussing this case last night...as she works in the immigration area...and I help out (I'm qualified to give immigration advice btw). The HRA has no clauses about responsibilities and how your rights can be weakend if you are of bad characters. So the judge couldn't really weight that once his family life has been established. Presumably his "woman" and his pals all put in "honest" statements saying what a "good father figure" he is.

Hopefully he only got a limited-time leave for about 3 years and perhaps his relationship will break down in the meantime and the HO can try again.

[lilelvis2000]

To answer why the sentence should be harsher for an immigrant than for a British citizen (and I'm about as anti-British as you can get without strapping bombs to myself and sitting on the tube), the simple answer is that British by birth or by descent is a right. But being given indefinite leave to remain here is a privilege. And that privilege should be taken away if you abuse the laws of the land.

What I don't understand is why Lee Hughes got 6 years (out in far less of course) while this chap only got 4 months. Both hit and runs weren't they? Shame Hughes got to resume his footballing career.

Judgement aside. This guy didn't have ILR, he didn't have anything. He was a failed asylum seeker who the HO has been trying to remove for years....they are a very slow bunch indeed. He didn't, I presume, fall under the legacy claims system either. So the only rights he had were the HRA and a right to appeal removal. Which he did and he won.

I disagree the sentencing should be harsher. it should be the same.