The students are revolting

[StopTheEarthIwantToGetOff]

Complete and utter bollocks, the vast majority of people go on to further education for purely selfish reasons, none of this 'investing in the future' crap. Why should my taxes pay for someone to go on to do an economics degree to then earn a six figure salary for the rest of their life. If they want the increased salary then they have to be prepared to pay for it (either at the time or deferred).

Equally, why should my taxes go on some oik to lounge about pissed at Uni for three years doing History or some such to then go into a career in IT. What is the relevance in that? How does that 'invest in the future'.

Further Education is not a ******* right as some oik had on his placard today.

Only skilled shortages should be state funded. Simple.

Good one! While we are at it lets just throw out the concept of morality! Why shouldn't I just take what I want or kill who I want? May the most vicious and self obsessed individual win!

Are you a conservative voter?

[Zippy]

I thought it was only my university where Wednesday afternoon had no lectures, obviously it's more common.

I heard a radio quote from some bod "the government's living in a dream if they think cutting funding and raising costs won't mean some people aren't able to go to university".

GOOD. Not everyone's supposed to go to university. If your career won't benefit, don't go!

If you were doing something like philosophy, you got the afternoon off.

I'm all for giving people more opportunities but it's gone too far the other way. Getting in to uni has always been a competitive process and turing perfectly good, more practically oriented courses like HNDs and HNCs into degrees hasn't helped. It's got to the point where a degree can be bought.

[Incognito]

Good one! While we are at it lets just throw out the concept of morality! Why shouldn't I just take what I want or kill who I want? May the most vicious and self obsessed individual win!

Are you a conservative voter?

Are you a complete idiot or just in training? How on earth have you read the complete breakdown of social structure because some students are actually forced to have to pay for bettering themselves? So those people who don't decide to go to University, should we pay for them to learn windsurfing for three years, ski-ing perhaps, maybe little Jonny wants to be a cage fighter, three years of martial arts at the states behest?

May the most vicious and self obsessed individual win!

Welcome to CUK, you are a contractor, right?

[shaunbhoy]

Again it's a case of out of touch Alf W, the champagne Socialist

The reason for India's strength in the IT area is because it is very much the "norm" that the Indian Daddy (from the socially elite caste) pays for your University education and that you can therefore buy your way in to your University of choice.
You need to get out more, and put away your Socialist Worker comics.

[DodgyAgent]

Again it's a case of out of touch millionaire Tory Cabinet ministers assuming that the "norm" is that Daddy pays for your University education and that you can therefore buy your way in to your University of choice.

Another sad example of everything in life being reduced down to the level of economic units. The reason for India's strength in the IT area is because they have invested heavily in it.

So speaks captain poor

[sasguru]

The reason for India's strength in the IT area is because it is very much the "norm" that the Indian Daddy (from the socially elite caste) pays for your University education and that you can therefore buy your way in to your University of choice.
You need to get out more, and put away your Socialist Worker comics.

You fail every test of elementary logic which is why I know you're thick as 2 fat planks.
If, as you claim, IT education in India is not meritocratic (and I don't know if it is or isnt) then India would not be strong in IT would it?

[AtW]

(I don't know if it is or isnt)

If you don't know then you should STFU.

India is not strong in IT - it's very cheap, and that is the determining factor to those execs who take very short term view (they take pay off and bugger off somewhere else).

Now if you want to see strong IT then look no further than Silicon Valley - they create proper IT companies there.

The main reason why IT picked up in India is greed and short termism of the West - without that the proper good Indian IT people would immigrate to the West (mainly USA) and do good job there starting up proper companies and earning proper money without slave labour involved.

[shaunbhoy]

If, as you claim, IT education in India is not meritocratic (and I don't know if it is or isnt) then India would not be strong in IT would it?

Well STFU then peabrain!!


You fail every test going when it comes to discerning the value of Bobs in an IT context. That is why I know you are a clueless stat-fudging blotter-jotter.

[d000hg]

India is not strong in IT - it's very cheap, and that is the determining factor

Hundreds of $billions, or whatever it is, means it is strong in the terms that matter.

[AtW]

Hundreds of $billions, or whatever it is, means it is strong in the terms that matter.

It's as strong as Chinese manufacturing - based purely on cost, and I'd say India now is what China was in early 90s when it came to electronics - very poor quality stuff, though they've improved BIG time - the question is whether India can improve as much in the next 10 years.