Bush: Torture was right because it got results

[kandr]

I match your moral dilemma and raise it. What if you had to wipe out a whole village, planet, solar system or the old lady at the end of the street to obtain information? Is it okay? And the latter said she would only tell if you went down on her.

No never kill anyone for information or permanently injure them physically, or give in to their demands.

[sasguru]

I match your moral dilemma and raise it. What if you had to wipe out a whole village, planet, solar system or the old lady at the end of the street to obtain information? Is it okay? And the latter said she would only tell if you went down on her.

The principle is surely to take the option that would save most lives.
And for your old lady scenario, I would get Wayne Rooney in.

[Mich the Tester]

Tell that to the victims of terrorist attacks.

Again, fallacious argument from adverse consequences.

Plus Fallacy 4; Non sequitur. It does not follow from torturing some Ali Kebab chap who supposedly runs Al Qaeda that terrorist attacks would have been prevented.

[TimberWolf]

The principle is surely to take the option that would save most lives.
And for your old lady scenario, I would get Wayne Rooney in.

All lives being equal? Even a head of state, commander or a relative, compared to a grunt?

[TimberWolf]

No never kill anyone for information or permanently injure them physically, or give in to their demands.

Deep mental scars are okay though?

[kandr]

Deep mental scars are okay though?

Better than hundreds of innocent people dying.

[Mich the Tester]

No never kill anyone for information or permanently injure them physically, or give in to their demands.

Fallacy 5; Straw man

kandr, Sasguru is presenting some arguments in favour of waterboarding; why don't you leave him to it? I might not agree with him but he's doing a better job of giving rational arguments. All you've done is present a load fallacious baloney.

[Mich the Tester]

Better than hundreds of innocent people dying.

More fallacious nonsense.

[SupremeSpod]

So the point of your intervention was to prove how superior you are as an ex-soldier. You have contributed nothing at all to this discussion and that's because you're a limited ex-grunt, not an ex-officer.
As you were.


HTH

I was making the point that because of your lack experience and knowledge in this area that you debating the topic is rather pointless.

[kandr]

Fallacy 5; Straw man

kandr, Sasguru is presenting some arguments in favour of waterboarding; why don't you leave him to it? I might not agree with him but he's doing a better job of giving rational arguments. All you've done is present a load fallacious baloney.

He is saying the same as me, all you are doing is quoting some stuff you read on Wikiipedia to avoid answering the question. Its a valid question, and as lots of Governments over the world use this method, I think they should be trusted more than some random Wikipedia addict. They hire very intelligent people, (reading the fallacy wikipediia article wouldn't qualify you for a job there btw)