Bush: Torture was right because it got results

[SupremeSpod]

What's that got to do with anything? - we're discussing the moral implications. Try to think like an officer and not a grunt for a change.

"Moral implications" are a luxury that you armchair warriors are permitted in front of your TV sets. Try quoting the Geneva convention and see how far that gets after being captured. Torture happens.

[kandr]

So after someone's already convicted, you can torture them? How do you get the confession to convict them without torturing an innocent person... that whole innocent-till-proven-guilty thing really gets in the way.

If someone had information about a bomb that was going to explode and kill your family and 100 others, and you could only get that information by using stronger interrogation techniques, would you prefer them not to?

[Mich the Tester]

So after someone's already convicted, you can torture them? How do you get the confession to convict them without torturing an innocent person... that whole innocent-till-proven-guilty thing really gets in the way.

Isn't that principle the whole point of the rule of law? Isn't that what we're supposed to be defending?

[Mich the Tester]

If someone had information about a bomb that was going to explode and kill your family and 100 others, and you could only get that information by using stronger interrogation techniques, would you prefer them not to?

Fallacy 1; begging the question
Fallacy 2; argument from adverse consequences

[kandr]

Fallacy 1; begging the question
Fallacy 2; argument from adverse consequences

I only want Yes or No.

[Mich the Tester]

I only want Yes or No.

Fallacy 3; excluded middle

[EternalOptimist]

Isn't that principle the whole point of the rule of law? Isn't that what we're supposed to be defending?

four inches of barbed wire. it's the law. for the times when you just cant remember where you put that waterboard

[sasguru]

"Moral implications" are a luxury that you armchair warriors are permitted in front of your TV sets. Try quoting the Geneva convention and see how far that gets after being captured. Torture happens.

So the point of your intervention was to prove how superior you are as an ex-soldier. You have contributed nothing at all to this discussion and that's because you're a limited ex-grunt, not an ex-officer.
As you were.


HTH

[TimberWolf]

If someone had information about a bomb that was going to explode and kill your family and 100 others, and you could only get that information by using stronger interrogation techniques, would you prefer them not to?

I match your moral dilemma and raise it. What if you had to wipe out a whole village, planet, solar system or the old lady at the end of the street to obtain information? Is it okay? And the latter said she would only tell if you went down on her.

[kandr]

Fallacy 3; excluded middle

Tell that to the victims of terrorist attacks.