Yet another cold Winter

[minestrone]

Got the underside of my ground floor insulated about 4 weeks ago, massive difference in the heat now in the house, 4 chimney balloons as well. I think I will save the 350 quid that cost in a year.

We have a modern extension to the house and it is much colder in there. They knew how to build houses in 1908.

[d000hg]

hmm looks like we might be for another corker.

Britain 'in for another big freeze winter' - Telegraph

But note this would be just weather, Britain gets warmer every year and mild winters are now the norm, this is just a one off.

Yes two years in a row is certainly pretty compelling. I mean, 2 data points is all you need for a graph. It's amazing to me how people working in IT can fail to have even the most basic understanding of statistics, considering most have surely done at least GC(S)E maths.
Everytime we get a post on some released statistics, some dumbo seems to think "I don't fit the trend, therefore it's rubbish" is a good counter-argument. That kind of inability to think makes Sas look like the intellectual colossus he claims to be

[shaunbhoy]

That kind of inability to think makes Sas look like the intellectual colossus he claims to be

It would take a heck of a lot more compelling data than THAT!

[BlasterBates]

Yes two years in a row is certainly pretty compelling. I mean, 2 data points is all you need for a graph. It's amazing to me how people working in IT can fail to have even the most basic understanding of statistics, considering most have surely done at least GC(S)E maths.
Everytime we get a post on some released statistics, some dumbo seems to think "I don't fit the trend, therefore it's rubbish" is a good counter-argument. That kind of inability to think makes Sas look like the intellectual colossus he claims to be

yeah the 4 years in a row is just an outlier....

...and the expanding antarctic and arctic ice and plunging global temperature, and below average temperatures in South America and Australia is also just a bit of weather...

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+002

of course how silly of me.

Has nothing to do with the sun, I realise that

AS the HAD CRUT temperature trend England shows since the sun went quiet

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatec...ng/hadcet.html

The trend is still upwards, err isn't it?

[d000hg]

yeah the 4 years in a row is just an outlier

Yes, 4 years is not statistically significant. I don't know why you find that so hard to understand. If you look at all the graphs floating around CUK recently, including ones you (IIRC) posted, you'll see they wiggle all over the place. That's why establishing a trend is difficult.

[BlasterBates]

Yes, 4 years is not statistically significant. I don't know why you find that so hard to understand. If you look at all the graphs floating around CUK recently, including ones you (IIRC) posted, you'll see they wiggle all over the place. That's why establishing a trend is difficult.

Well if you were to look at the HADCRUT temperature record I posted above, you would notice that England has been cooling for about ten years actually, and the last 4 years have been noticeably cooler in the winter. But even 10 years is a short time, as was the 15 years of warming preceding it that have scientists claim heralds a unstoppable global warming.

..and in fact as Phil jones said, there hasn't been any warming for 15 years (as you can see that HADCRUT global temp trend which shows it flattening off), it could be that the record solar maximum between 1980-2000 might have contributed to the mild temperatures

Lets see what happens to that curve over the next 20 years. It is almost back to where it was in 1940.

[filthy1980]

Well if you were to look at the HADCRUT temperature record I posted above, you would notice that England has been cooling for about ten years actually, and the last 4 years have been noticeably cooler in the winter. But even 10 years is a short time, as was the 15 years of warming preceding it that have scientists claim heralds a unstoppable global warming.

..and in fact as Phil jones said, there hasn't been any warming for 15 years (as you can see that HADCRUT global temp trend which shows it flattening off), it could be that the record solar maximum between 1980-2000 might have contributed to the mild temperatures

Lets see what happens to that curve over the next 20 years. It is almost back to where it was in 1940.

you're not suggesting that there was some sort of agenda behind the global warming theory are you???

[BlasterBates]

Climate is a "wiggly" line and when it wiggles downwards for 10 years you can claim an ice age and when it wiggles upwards for 10 years you can claim unstoppable warming.

It is quite interesting to see these claims over the last 100 years, of "worrying" climate trends, reminds me of ancient religious sects using eclipses of the sun to prove the existence of their particular God.

[Aman]

Got the underside of my ground floor insulated about 4 weeks ago, massive difference in the heat now in the house, 4 chimney balloons as well. I think I will save the 350 quid that cost in a year.

We have a modern extension to the house and it is much colder in there. They knew how to build houses in 1908.

What did you use for underfloor insulation?

I didn't think underfloor insulation would make that big a difference but I fitted new underlay (seventh heaven) in one room and noticed a difference.


I've had people up to price insulation but they all refused to go under the floor as there isn't much space.
Not sure bmost appropriate wasy to insulate the internal lath and plaster walls and the lath and plaster ceiling. I need a solution that'll improve the mu value, have a good fire rating yet not require ripping the walls and ceiling apart.

[DimPrawn]

Global warming is here, experts agree - News - The Independent

Thursday, 30 November 1995

"The recent warming has been greatest of the mid-latitude continents in winter and spring," the report says. Britain's experience in recent mild winters fits well with that.