Outsourcing to India

[MarillionFan]

If you think about it 20 years ago IT was much smaller, 30 years ago even more so. There would be less people starting out in IT 20 years ago than there are these days, hence distorting the statistics even if they were all still programming they'd still be a minority.

Exactly!

No way can old fuddies compete with the masses coming through.

Anyway, I'm building a bunker in my garden for when that massive sunbursts happens in a few years and wipes out all the computers. Then we'll see who has skills!

[shaunbhoy]

Anyway, I'm building a bunker in my garden for when that massive sunbursts happens in a few years and wipes out all the computers. Then we'll see who has skills!

You are setting great store by it MF, but I have to say I think you are being overly optimistic about just how far "playing the spoons" is going to get you in post-apocalyptic Britain.

[MarillionFan]

You are setting great store by it MF, but I have to say I think you are being overly optimistic about just how far "playing the spoons" is going to get you in post-apocalyptic Britain.

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[Zippy]

Oh dear me.

Being a coder hasn't just involved coding for - ooohh - the last 20 years. Unless you are a Bob. This is the weakness of yer average Bob.
I've worked with 'em and - IMO - they need direction. Constantly. To the point where you have to specify where error messages occur, when they occur (including obvious input errors by the user) and - oh yes - exactly what the messages should say.
Apart from that, they are fine.
Might as well do the bugger yourself.

[Alf W]

Indian businessman Ratan Tata and the boss of Sony, Sir Howard Stringer are the latest names to join the Prime Minister's advisory group of industry leaders, Sky sources have revealed.

Earlier this month Sky's City editor Mark Kleinman revealed that a Business Advisory Group is being established by David Cameron.

Anyone still think outsourcing to India is going to reduce in any way?

[MarillionFan]

Oh dear me.

Being a coder hasn't just involved coding for - ooohh - the last 20 years. Unless you are a Bob. This is the weakness of yer average Bob.
I've worked with 'em and - IMO - they need direction. Constantly. To the point where you have to specify where error messages occur, when they occur (including obvious input errors by the user) and - oh yes - exactly what the messages should say.
Apart from that, they are fine.
Might as well do the bugger yourself.

A good coder who understands business is worth their weight in gold. Just a pity they are far and few apart.

The worst type of coder though, is those that technically know their stuff but have an arrogant disregard for the user. There are plenty of those around.

[Zippy]

A good coder who understands business is worth their weight in gold. Just a pity they are far and few apart.

The worst type of coder though, is those that technically know their stuff but have an arrogant disregard for the user. There are plenty of those around.

There are still a few dinosaurs about but not too many so I disagree with you. Those that are left (with that attitude) should be shot. Technical knowledge is worth nothing if you have you have no idea how to use it to build a functional system.

[CheeseSlice]

I'd say the majority of good developers I met want precisely the opposite, they're in the field because they love coding, used to do it as a hobby, etc.

WHS. This is especially true amongst contractor developers I've worked with. They live and breathe development and they want nothing else in life. I remember one chap who was promoted to management level because the permie manager moved on. He relished the new job, but still couldn't stop coding away at his desk.

[Son of Tay]

WHS. This is especially true amongst contractor developers I've worked with. They live and breathe development and they want nothing else in life. I remember one chap who was promoted to management level because the permie manager moved on. He relished the new job, but still couldn't stop coding away at his desk.

He will be out of work in a few years. It makes me glum.

[CheeseSlice]

Less. But only because other countries will become more cost effective

I'm not sure it would happen quickly, but it would be interesting to see our call centres, software development and testing needs moved across to Mongolia or Khasakstan and what effect that would have on Indias economy

Similarly, if China actually caves in an unpegs its currency from its current low level against the dollar, Tescos, Asda, and half of the high street clothes stores may want to move clothing productions elsewhere.