Outsourcing to India

[sasguru]

Yeah carry on thinking there'll be less outsourcing, you luddites.

[MarillionFan]

Don't Bobs generally consider coding a low level job and are keen to move up the ranks after a couple of years? In which cases the good ones do move up and the basic pool is always either very green or generally crap.

Thats all developers.

No-one wants to stay a developer, everybody wants to progress up the ladder.

[MarillionFan]

Yeah carry on thinking there'll be less outsourcing, you luddites.

You really are in a thick mood today. The comments above state that we believe that outsourcing to India will start to reduce.

That's because they are becoming expensive and so others will become cheaper by comparison.

[The_Equalizer]

Thats all developers.

No-one wants to stay a developer, everybody wants to progress up the ladder.

Actually being a code monkey seems perfectly okay to me. It brings in a enough cash end of story.

[sasguru]

You really are in a thick mood today. The comments above state that we believe that outsourcing to India will start to reduce.

That's because they are becoming expensive and so others will become cheaper by comparison.

Fair enough. I believe outsourcing will accelerate, maybe not to India.

[MarillionFan]

Fair enough. I believe outsourcing will accelerate, maybe not to India.

Outsourcing will definitely increase. Company I am at is using Manilla, pushing most of it's development and support there.

Previous company moved resource to Bangalore and Poland.

Not heard of anyone using China yet? Maybe it's the language differences! Ah So?

[minestrone]

I can't really say that my experience with them has been great, I seen a bunch quote 100k for a job which eventually came in at 10 million before it was taken off them.

I have a theory that the amount of software code that the nation needs is now many times more than we can actually handle. I would love to know how many lines of code the nation now uses to 'run' the country, must be billions and will continue to grow.

Personally I would only have them maintaining code and applications. From my experience every greenfield project they touch turns to stinking crap.

[d000hg]

Thats all developers.

No-one wants to stay a developer, everybody wants to progress up the ladder.

I'd say the majority of good developers I met want precisely the opposite, they're in the field because they love coding, used to do it as a hobby, etc.

[MarillionFan]

I'd say the majority of good developers I met want precisely the opposite, they're in the field because they love coding, used to do it as a hobby, etc.

It's an age thing. In general you do not see old programmers! Yes there are contractors on CUK who buck that trend, but programming is a young mans game. Technology is constantly changing. It is difficult for contractors & permies in employment to keep on updating their skills & keep up with the latest changes. As those youngsters get older, they get married, have kids. You don't have the luxury or the environment to stay up all night dabbling and learning. It's just the way it is.

If my the time you haven't started to move up the ladder or out of programming by the time you hit your forties then you're going to find it more and more difficult. Anyone 40+, benched for any period of time who says they're a programmer is deluded. It means time has passed you by and you didn't evolve.

IMO.

[d000hg]

If you think about it 20 years ago IT was much smaller, 30 years ago even more so. There would be less people starting out in IT 20 years ago than there are these days, hence distorting the statistics even if they were all still programming they'd still be a minority.