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Originally posted by minestrone View PostWhat was the operation if I may ask as this is important to your point I believe.Last edited by smalldog; 15 April 2010, 23:49.Comment
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Originally posted by smalldog View PostSigh back, derrr I do understand that, but if a proportionate amount of people pulled out then the load would reduce, therefore reducing cost...Not everyone can afford to pay for their own private care so thats an extreme comparison, its not just the rich paying for the NHS. From the moment you start paying PAYE you start contributing to the welfare state. If everyone pulled out then maybe but that would never happen, some people would not want to go private and not down to decisions based on cost or their wealth.
We should have an option to pull out of the NHS and go private, but pay a mandatory minimum contribution to the welfare state to ensure its continued funding for all those who cannot afford to go private.
What people should not be expected to do is pay for private care such as BUPA and then be expected to effectively pay again for a service they will not use. And yes BUPA etc doesnt cover everything at the moment but I would pay for my own GP visits (that amounts to 2 in the last 10 years) and A&E including ambulance costs as required.
HTHInsanity: repeating the same actions, but expecting different results.
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Originally posted by Platypus View PostI noticed lots of Gordon and Nick agreeing with each other - clear to me they're planning another Lib-Lab pact.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by threaded View PostProblem is that the people who could get the cheap insurance outside the welfare state are also those who actually pay by far the most for it. So to make it worthwhile for them to take out private insurance the drop in their mandatory payment to the welfare state would have to be to a level that would mean a reduction in the welfare state.
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Originally posted by smalldog View Postagreed and it would be interesting to do the maths and work out what the level is and therefore if its worth it for both sides.
In DK the ramp up is not as sharp as the UK and they still had to give significant tax incentives for private medicine to start up again. The next problem was retaining the good staff in the public part of the system. The good people basically all handed their notice in within a period of three months or something. Big brouhaha, they ended up having to pay the private hospitals to treat the public patients. An extra amusement I found was some politicians had to do really fancy accounting to make it look like a cost, because the reality was the private sector were doing the operations and treatments cheaper and to a higher quality level.Insanity: repeating the same actions, but expecting different results.
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Originally posted by TimberWolf View PostSo anyway moving on to Question Time, are John Sergeant and Jo Brand the same person?Comment
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The trouble with this "I pay more than anyone else for the Welfare State, and I don't even use it!" cliche is that people don't even realise that they are using it. Everyone you interact with, employ, work for, buy things from, sell things to, everyone who fixes your phone, your plumbing, your car, your computer... on and on... all these people were educated by the State, paid for by you or your parents or your grandparents.
The private healthcare you love so much... where do those doctors and nurses come from? Most of them will have come through State schools and medical training, then gone private for the cash. All those people above that serve you are kept in good working order by the NHS which you pay for. When you don't need to employ them and they can't get any other work, the Welfare State maintains them until you do need to employ them again, et voila, they are available and haven't emigrated in order to survive.
And so on. Surely people grasp that basic concept, don't they? The Welfare State is for the good of us all. Duh.Comment
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Originally posted by smalldog View Postnot true, for me anyway. ive gone private in a completely private hospital (BMIHealthcare Blackheath to be precise) and totally enjoyable, as enjoyable as a hospital can be of course...
and all because the NHS could not provide me with the non invasive surgery I could get privately. So thats flawed argument im afraid, not only was I not in an NHS hospital but if I had gone NHS which of course are so wonderful as I keep hearing, I would have been cut to ribbons as their technologies aren't as advanced..Did I get a contribution towards the surgery from all my NI payments, of course not...
Are not cost effective FTFY.
Private health in this country is complimentary to the NHS for those that want to pay, you're suggesting that the NHS is in some way technically inferior which simply isn't true.
Originally posted by smalldog View Postand Im guessing by you saying something serious you are excluding breast cancer in that case, just trivial condition I assume....god how ignorantScience isn't about why, it's about why not. You ask: why is so much of our science dangerous? I say: why not marry safe science if you love it so much. In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you in the butt on the way out, because you are fired. - Cave JohnsonComment
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Originally posted by gingerjedi View PostAre not cost effective FTFY.
Private health in this country is complimentary to the NHS for those that want to pay, you're suggesting that the NHS is in some way technically inferior which simply isn't true.
How you came to that conclusion is beyond me, I am perfectly aware that breast cancer is considered serious.
nothing to do with cost effective, more like they dont have the funds to research cutting edge technologies and procedures. The private sector introduce it, the NHS inherit it after a fashion...Last edited by smalldog; 16 April 2010, 12:32.Comment
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