techmahindra taking the mickey

[Churchill]

I didn't get into contracting to earn "better than JSA". If I find that's all that's going then I think I'll get out of it again.

You'll get what the market is willing to pay for your services, no more, no less.

[expat]

You'll get what the market is willing to pay for your services, no more, no less.

That's the demand curve.

And "the market" will get what it is willing to pay for, which might or might not include me, depending on the price. That's my contribution to the supply curve.

[d000hg]

That's the demand curve.

And "the market" will get what it is willing to pay for, which might or might not include me, depending on the price. That's my contribution to the supply curve.

Sounds like it's your loss, not the market's.

[expat]

Sounds like it's your loss, not the market's.

It depends on who wants what. It is not a "loss" to decide (as a buyer) how much you are prepared to pay, or decide (as a seller) how little you will accept being paid. It is only a loss for those who name the wrong price.

I'm just saying that, although contracting on a high rate might be my first choice for what to do with my life and work, if that is not on offer then contracting on a low rate is not necessarily my second choice.

[GreenerGrass]

It isn't just "low level" developers that the 5th columnist consultancies are bringing in from India, it's everybody - Business Analysts, Architects, Project Managers, testers, etc. Entire teams.

ICT abuse is rife in IBs, I can see pretty soon most IT departments in the City will be 70-80% Indian if not already.
The only tiny consolation is after a couple of years with a "consultancy" ("International" or Indian with a UK office) any IT bods who aren't complete morons will realise they are paid well under the UK market rate so will leave to become an independent contractor and increase their rate, then carry on for the holy grail of British citizenship.

Where are the UK IT grads? I can't see many coming through the ranks.
Cost cutting is only part of the problem, there are some genuine skills shortages mainly due to the larger IT companies with British presence (the big 5, etc.) concentrating on offshoring for the last decade and not bothering to train any British grads with the skills the city needs right now.

[The_Equalizer]

I didn't realise that it had got that extreme having sheltered from the big smoke for a number of years now. I know the Russell Group university up the road had to cut some of its IT courses due to lack of numbers from UK students. It also explains the comments from agents about it being unusual to see UK born applicants for jobs.

Surely if the employer is looking for a client facing role they'll lean towards UK residents?

[expat]

I didn't realise that it had got that extreme having sheltered from the big smoke for a number of years now. I know the Russell Group university up the road had to cut some of its IT courses due to lack of numbers from UK students. It also explains the comments from agents about it being unusual to see UK born applicants for jobs.

Surely if the employer is looking for a client facing role they'll lean towards UK residents?

Doesn't look that way to me.

[ChimpMaster]

....
ICT abuse is rife in IBs, I can see pretty soon most IT departments in the City will be 70-80% Indian if not already..........

True, I see that too. Though in a lot of cases the work is offshored to binary speaking south of India.

Where are the UK IT grads?

Would you study IT in this day and age?

[Hart-floot]

It isn't just "low level" developers that the 5th columnist consultancies are bringing in from India, it's everybody - Business Analysts, Architects, Project Managers, testers, etc. Entire teams.

ICT abuse is rife in IBs, I can see pretty soon most IT departments in the City will be 70-80% Indian if not already.
The only tiny consolation is after a couple of years with a "consultancy" ("International" or Indian with a UK office) any IT bods who aren't complete morons will realise they are paid well under the UK market rate so will leave to become an independent contractor and increase their rate, then carry on for the holy grail of British citizenship.

Where are the UK IT grads? I can't see many coming through the ranks.
Cost cutting is only part of the problem, there are some genuine skills shortages mainly due to the larger IT companies with British presence (the big 5, etc.) concentrating on offshoring for the last decade and not bothering to train any British grads with the skills the city needs right now.

It's what Patricia Hewitt would have wanted

I thought the rules had changed and those people being bought into the UK via the ICT route can no longer re-apply for another work permit to contract here or apply for residency?