Take an extra second to reflect on 2005

[Chico]

Interesting quote from Charles Darwin

From the last chapter of The Origin of the Species

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Hmmm so the man the atheists and the God haters love to use as a source of all knowledge saw fit to include the notion of an Intelligent Designer in his theory. Oh the irony!!

[TGAOTU]

From the last chapter of The Origin of the Species

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Hmmm so the man the atheists and the God haters love to use as a source of all knowledge saw fit to include the notion of an Intelligent Designer in his theory. Oh the irony!!

Chico, you're talking tulipe again, time for your medication!

[OwlHoot]

From the last chapter of The Origin of the Species

"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone circling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being evolved."

Hmmm so the man the atheists and the God haters love to use as a source of all knowledge saw fit to include the notion of an Intelligent Designer in his theory. Oh the irony!!

Yes, but a very stand-offish designer, bearing no relation to the infantile notion of micromanaged intelligent design peddled by fundamentalists. (Did you notice the word "originally" in that excerpt, or indeed the word "origin" in the title?)

What always genuinely baffles me about Darwin-bashers is how they insist that God dabbles in the minutiae of creation and deny the possibility of God setting up the laws of nature that would allow life to develop without constant supervision, when the latter is an even greater feat. Ironically, it's creationists who presume to limit the power of God not Darwinists; but they can never seem to grasp that.

Chico, why do you think several verses in Genesis end with the phrase "and God saw that it was good"? Doesn't it suggest to you that he was glancing every now and then at how things were turning out, so to speak, rather than actively fiddling about creating everything as he went along.

[mcquiggd]

Sounds a bit like how I first wrote code....


Drag and drop... god was the original user... thats why the world is fecked up....

Should have waited for .Net....

[xoggoth]

God created the universe and life? It evolved according to some natural laws that have always existed? yada yada. Idle speculation, no relevance to anything, no importance whatever.

The one important question you need to really consider in religion is this. Is there an afterlife and if so, will your participation in it or your experience of it be determined by what you do in this one?

[TGAOTU]

God created the universe and life? It evolved according to some natural laws that have always existed? yada yada. Idle speculation, no relevance to anything, no importance whatever.

The one important question you need to really consider in religion is this. Is there an afterlife and if so, will your participation in it or your experience of it be determined by what you do in this one?

Hey now come on, we need something to subjugate the masses!

[OwlHoot]

God created the universe and life? It evolved according to some natural laws that have always existed? yada yada. Idle speculation, no relevance to anything, no importance whatever.

The one important question you need to really consider in religion is this. Is there an afterlife and if so, will your participation in it or your experience of it be determined by what you do in this one?

You probably realize, but I was just arguing with Chico in his terms, which needn't necessarily imply I believe in a divine creator of the universe and life.

[Chico]

You probably realize, but I was just arguing with Chico in his terms, which needn't necessarily imply I believe in a divine creator of the universe and life.

My terms Owl? You see with me there is no wishy washy beliefs, either the Bible is the inerrant Word of God or it is not. Either Jesus Christ is the Son of God or not. There is no middle ground - to me there is no argument to be had. What or who do you worship? What gets your ardent devotion and adoration? Material things, success? Your family? Sex? For me The Bible being the inerrant word is absolute on that matter - Worship the Lord thy God only. Period. Case closed. The Bible says God made the heavens and earth in six days - case closed. Thats fine for me. Either you believe it or not.

[ladymuck]

I really don't care where I came from (yes, I know when a man and a woman get horribly drunk and one falls on top of the other in some car park in Swansea, blah blah) or whether there is a life after death.

As far as I'm concerned, you're born, you make the most of what 'life' throws at you, and then you die. If you're buried you make good grass growing fodder. If you're cremated you get to sit on someone's mantlepiece until you get knocked off, the jar is broken and your bits are hoovered up. Or, like what my boyf's mum did to her hubby after he karked it - you kick the jar around the garden and sluice the bits down the drain.

There is no god, God or GOD. There is no purpose. Both religion and many branches of science were created by and for people who have to have a belief system because they can't cope with reality.

[threaded]

Now Chico, that can be a little silly. Do you know enough Hebrew to categorically state, for example, the first line in the bible says "In the beginning God created heaven and earth."? 'Cause I can translate it to say "First off lets chop up the angels hanging about in the sky and on the fields."