Troll's 3 point plan to save Britain

[TimberWolf]

Count me out then.

Great, me too. British Military hospital, Deutschland.

[AtW]

Americans aren't strictly 1st world. Most of them exist on food vouchers

NOT most. Voucher system is better than cash handouts because those who need food should not be getting cash to spend it on Sky TV and stuff like that.

[AtW]

Outside of the City and its salaries there's precious little to attract anyone here: not the weather,not the rail service, road system, NHS, size of houses or economy. And its not going to get better, the cake is too small to support a population of £65 million +

The cake is too small to support you alone!

[TimberWolf]

NOT most. Voucher system is better than cash handouts because those who need food should not be getting cash to spend it on Sky TV and stuff like that.

Okay, I exaggerate, but it's a huge number.

I had a brief go at Googling it, but only got 6 million that exist solely of food stamps
Desperate times in America: selling food stamps to pay for bills

[HairyArsedBloke]

NOT most. Voucher system is better than cash handouts because those who need food should not be getting cash to spend it on Sky TV and stuff like that.

That old simplistic solution again. I thought better of you AtW. I didn't think that you were that silly.

Vouchers do not work as there would be a secondary market to convert them into cash at a lower yield.

It also makes the recipient more dependant on the state and less able to make decisions for themselves.

They are totally counter productive.

[AtW]

Okay, I exaggerate, but it's a huge number.

I had a brief go at Googling it, but only got 6 million that exist solely of food stamps
Desperate times in America: selling food stamps to pay for bills

6 mln out of 300 mln population, or 2%.

How many people in the UK (out of 61 mln) exist solely on benefits?

[AtW]

Vouchers do not work as there would be a secondary market to convert them into cash at a lower yield.

Conversion of cash happens at higher yield - 100% of it.

[Troll]

Conversion of cash happens at higher yield - 100% of it.

Not if I was converting

[DaveB]

1: Only people born here are entitled to vote

2: Career politicians are to be executed at dawn, only those successful in business and having raised a family can be appointed to Cabinet positions (might make an exception for Defence)

3: Points based migration to be available only from 1st world nations

Hmmm.

1. Only people who are tax resident in the UK and are part of a family whose main breadwinner would normally pay UK income tax can vote. For this purpose anyone over the age of 21 is counted as an individual reagrdless of family situation.

2. Only those with direct experience of a particular field should be appointed to government positions within that field ( Teachers in Education department, Doctors in Health etc. ).

3. Companies may only transfer foreign nationals into UK based posts if the individuals concerned would pass standard immigration requirements were they not employed by that company.

[vetran]

Vouchers do work better when paying for goods and services needing credit. Currently with things like rent & childcare the money is paid to the claimant who then fails to pass it on to landlord / childcare provider causing them to refuse DHSS clients in future.

Food I'm not so sure but it saves them spending it on fags & booze without conversion.

Anyone watched 'Tower block of commons' definitely worth looking out for. If purely for the moment when the Labour politician (Austen Mitchell) refused to live with any of the riff raff and demanded his own council property. He then preceded to pop round his friends for a dinner party. He couldn't have appeared more champagne socialist if he tried.

Mitchell talked a lot but didn't really achieve anything.

Though Mark Oaten being placed with a gay couple was a bit predictable, he should have seen that coming.

The tories & lib dems seemed to do the best actually changing something. Oaten managed to raise the profile of the redevelopment needed in the area, Nadine Dorries made some inroads into the local mosque managing to get the residents & worshippers talking and Tim Loughton got the local boys playing football.


Now before hitting the hustings if candidates could be tasked with this kind of experience and show how much change they had made it would really restore faith in our politicians.