Abolish-ICTs - epetition response

[minestrone]

Will the Tories be any different?

Probably not but I do certainly believe that it would not be as bad ( regarding immigrant labour in IT) if the Tories had never left.

[HairyArsedBloke]

Thinking about this a bit more, what has IT done to Labour for them to hate IT so much?

The IT sector is one that has been given to the likes of India as part of some idiotic wealth transfer scheme from the delusional minds of socialists.

It is a demographic in the UK that has never shown any support for Labour and does not command any popular sympathies. Therefore there is no penalty in terms of electoral support by targeting that sector.

[malvolio]

WHS.

Why? They wouldn't even be on the agenda without PCG's lobbying in 2001/2002, ICT skills would still be on the shortage lists and Tier 2 visas would still be the wide open door they were three eyars ago.

Anyway I DGAS. I've given all the answers I can be arsed to give, if you can't accept them go talk to the PCG or set up your own lobbying organisation. Screaming like kiddies in the playground doesn't work.

[lilelvis2000]

The important lines in the response relate to "foreign investment". Its all about the Benjamins baby. Mainly the ones going into the lobbyist's pocket. And the vanity of having so many billionaires living in the UK - none of whom pay a penny in any form of tax.

[Churchill]

Why? They wouldn't even be on the agenda without PCG's lobbying in 2001/2002, ICT skills would still be on the shortage lists and Tier 2 visas would still be the wide open door they were three eyars ago.

Anyway I DGAS. I've given all the answers I can be arsed to give, if you can't accept them go talk to the PCG or set up your own lobbying organisation. Screaming like kiddies in the playground doesn't line the PCGs coffers.

FTFY.

[sasguru]

WHS +1

Its a ******* disgrace immigrants are allowed to come in and undercut us. .

They're not. Good rant though.

[minestrone]

Why? They wouldn't even be on the agenda without PCG's lobbying in 2001/2002, ICT skills would still be on the shortage lists and Tier 2 visas would still be the wide open door they were three eyars ago.

Anyway I DGAS. I've given all the answers I can be arsed to give, if you can't accept them go talk to the PCG or set up your own lobbying organisation. Screaming like kiddies in the playground doesn't work.

All I wanted to know was do you think the one interview you were bragging about last year to Radio Scotland is evidence that the PCG are doing enough.

Christ, it's not a tough question, it's not a trick question, is one interview to a regional news group in over a year enough for a national campaign?

[BoredBloke]

Why? They wouldn't even be on the agenda without PCG's lobbying in 2001/2002, ICT skills would still be on the shortage lists and Tier 2 visas would still be the wide open door they were three eyars ago.

Anyway I DGAS. I've given all the answers I can be arsed to give, if you can't accept them go talk to the PCG or set up your own lobbying organisation. Screaming like kiddies in the playground doesn't work.

All that happened when they took IT off the list was the abuse of intra company transfers started on an industrial scale. When I was cut from BT, along with 9999 other contractors our building in Leeds looked like a suburb of Bangalore. A mate of mine applied for his own job at half the rate when it was posted on Jobserve but they wouldn't consider him for it - even though he was actually doing the job for the client! So we all got our own Bob, some flown over to the Uk and, like mine, some based in India and we had 4 weeks to train them up. Why could we not have had a raw permie to train up from the UK? Why did they have to assign somebody from India who did not have the ability to do the job when there are plenty of people in the UK who could have done the role given a months intensive training.

[malvolio]

Gosh. ICT abuses have replaced Tier 2 abuses!!

Isn't that rather the point; we got one hole plugged so they force another one open. So we all start again. Which is why we're back at Square One again, NL have no interest in doing anything to stop the flow of people into the country or the movement of work offshore. With that level of apathy at the top, it's a bit hard to see how else to attack the problem unless someone can prove - that's "prove" in the legal sense - that the system is being abused.

As for the usual bollox about lining the PCG's coffers; 95% of their income is from membership subs, a chunk from earned interest and a tiny amount from close affiliates and suppliers. Go read the accounts if you don't believe me.

[Churchill]

Gosh. ICT abuses have replaced Tier 2 abuses!!

Isn't that rather the point; we got one hole plugged so they force another one open. So we all start again. Which is why we're back at Square One again, NL have no interest in doing anything to stop the flow of people into the country or the movement of work offshore. With that level of apathy at the top, it's a bit hard to see how else to attack the problem unless someone can prove - that's "prove" in the legal sense - that the system is being abused.

As for the usual bollox about lining the PCG's coffers; 95% of their income is from membership subs, a chunk from earned interest and a tiny amount from close affiliates and suppliers. Go read the accounts if you don't believe me.

The last time I read their accounts £500k was paid out to some bloke for "web services"...

Don't think I'll bother again.