Offshoring - The Moral & Economic Case

[gingerjedi]

You can't have enough niched for everyone - some mainstream work ought to be available otherwise competition for niches will be just too high.

I am doing well too, that does not mean I am arrogant or stupid enough not to see how serious situation gets now.

You're talking a lot of sense recently, are you feeling ok?

[AtW]

You're talking a lot of sense recently, are you feeling ok?

Sorry, wrong login...

[pzz76077]

You could have just said 'I'm alright Jack' right at the start, I'm sure all the benched people facing an uncertain future would pat you on the back for being so smug.

Again, missing the point.
If you are in the same market as those with similar skills who are prepared to work 12 hour days for 100US a day, then not surprising that work is so hard to come by if you are thinking of charging 4 times as much.
Find your USP and leave that all behind.

PZZ

[Bunk]

Sorry, wrong login...

it's alright sas. Sort it out though.

[pzz76077]

You can't have enough niched for everyone - some mainstream work ought to be available otherwise competition for niches will be just too high.

I am doing well too, that does not mean I am arrogant or stupid enough not to see how serious situation gets now.

The market will decide what is right.

At the moment, too many people with common skills asking for too much money are finding stiff competition from those who will do the same for much less.

AFAIK markets have always worked that way, no reason to believe that IT contacting is an exception to the rule.

Obvious when you think about it.

PZZ

[AtW]

If you are in the same market as those with similar skills who are prepared to work 12 hour days for 100US a day

The point is dude that such people should not be allowed to do so when they are present in the UK - there is legislation to make sure of that and it sure gets ignored.

You can't do much about people far away willing or being forced one way or another to work very long hours for bugger all money, however it totally changes economics if they happen to be located in this country especially if the job they do here can't be done offshore, effectively this cheats the game: if you are offshore you have advantage of cheap costs, but disadvantage of being far away, poor communications etc. Moving offshore to onshore is taking it too far - that's unfair competition, or "dumping" if you like.

Not that you give a tulip because you are personally at this precise moment is ok. I doubt it will be for long since you don't strike me as a man who is capable of strategic thinking. Sadly neither is current Govt.

[EternalOptimist]

It hit some IT folk hard, others with skills in demand are still doing fine. Some (including myself) found a new niche and are doing better than ever.

I don't think the pounds go out of circulation as you put it, just used for a different purpose.

PZZ

look mate. Do you accept that its possible to speak the 100% truth but still miss the point of a question.

Listening to you is like someone asking a question about Prousts 'recherche du temps perdu' and someone else replying 'it's half past four mate'


factually accurate, but totally irrelevant to a wholly philosophical question

[AtW]

At the moment, too many people with common skills asking for too much money are finding stiff competition from those who will do the same for much less.

What's too much money? 40% tax kicks in at like £40k, yet mortgage is totally ridiculous, fuel prices are an unfunny joke (worse than mine), food is going up only plasma TVs are getting cheaper.

If you want to give your children good (private) education it will cost like what, £20k per year per child, and what if you have few children? £40k after tax is like £80k gross required just to give children good education.

[pzz76077]

The point is dude that such people should not be allowed to do so when they are present in the UK - there is legislation to make sure of that and it sure gets ignored.

You can't do much about people far away willing or being forced one way or another to work very long hours for bugger all money, however it totally changes economics if they happen to be located in this country especially if the job they do here can't be done offshore, effectively this cheats the game: if you are offshore you have advantage of cheap costs, but disadvantage of being far away, poor communications etc. Moving offshore to onshore is taking it too far - that's unfair competition, or "dumping" if you like.

Not that you give a tulip because you are personally at this precise moment is ok. I doubt it will be for long since you don't strike me as a man who is capable of strategic thinking. Sadly neither is current Govt.

There is no legislation to stop this AFAIK. And why should there be any more than there is legislation to stop me working in a county that I choose (that I have been doing for the past 11 years).

On your final point, wrong again Im afraid, after 27 years of continuous contracting I will be retiring in April....if my clients let me that is.

PZZ

[pzz76077]

look mate. Do you accept that its possible to speak the 100% truth but still miss the point of a question.

Listening to you is like someone asking a question about Prousts 'recherche du temps perdu' and someone else replying 'it's half past four mate'


factually accurate, but totally irrelevant to a wholly philosophical question

I dont know Prousts work that well so would not like to say.


PZZ