Offshoring - The Moral & Economic Case

[pzz76077]

High taxes will remain high if they are spent on Govt IT projects and other stuff done by companies that take money out of country - no corporation tax, and not even employment.

The UK were never a big player in the IT marketplace. Most IT stuff comes from elsewhere and always has. UK are really at the consumer end of it all.

PZZ

[AtW]

The UK were never a big player in the IT marketplace.

I am talking about services here - hardware is just one piece of puzzle, not always the most expensive.

Ford was smart - he paid his workers well because otherwise they could not afford to buy his products. When everyone is skint then it makes things things even worse - the rich don't have enough money to provide for everyone, so if decent well paying jobs ain't available then it will first screw people and ultimately the country. That's rather obvious but with debt it was possible to delay the inevitable - now it's payback time and as usual these things happen at the worst time.

[Francko]

Why do you all keep talking about whether offshoring is moral or immoral?

It has happened. Full stop.

What is more interesting is to talk whether this trend can be reversed or not.

And plese do not let AtW dwell on his own bizarre post-communism economic theories.

[AtW]

And plese do not let AtW dwell on his own bizarre post-communism economic theories.

Too late - I've dwelled enough today to last me the rest of the month

[HairyArsedBloke]

Reversed ! You're 'aving a larf!

Look at these guys. BBC: Southampton taxi drivers in St George flag row

Taxi drivers in Southampton have been warned they could be suspended if they do not remove St George flags from their cars saying they speak English.

Some drivers said they had put up the stickers after passengers complained others could not speak the language.

They tried to compete against imports by providing something that the customers want but the local council will not let them.

It's the same if you are a taxi driver in Southampton, a developer in London, or whatever they do in the north these days. Not only is there a lack of support for British suppliers, there is an active policy of hindrance.

[pzz76077]

I am talking about services here - hardware is just one piece of puzzle, not always the most expensive.

Ford was smart - he paid his workers well because otherwise they could not afford to buy his products. When everyone is skint then it makes things things even worse - the rich don't have enough money to provide for everyone, so if decent well paying jobs ain't available then it will first screw people and ultimately the country. That's rather obvious but with debt it was possible to delay the inevitable - now it's payback time and as usual these things happen at the worst time.

I was talking about hardware, software and services.
Even in IT services, the UK are not that big. Look at where the revenue for the large IT service come from and a small proportion is from the UK.

What gets me is that we get some poor lost soul on here sprouting off abut this kind of thing every few weeks.

They all think think that they are part of some contractor market that ended 10 years ago, so they are not part of that.
Things moved on and were dominated by EDS, Accidenture etc, so they were not part of that.
Now they think that somehow they are in some way part of the same market that is dominated by low cost service orientated nations like India. They are not part of that either.

I suppose they can but dream!

Bob pp
PZZ

[AtW]

What gets me is that we get some poor lost soul on here sprouting off abut this kind of thing every few weeks.

I am surprised it does not happen few times every day.

[pzz76077]

I am surprised it does not happen few times every day.

It reminds me of the days of Anti Nuclear protests, thousands came out to protest against it, but not one of them came up with a solution or alternative to nuclear power.
Now its seen as the most environmentally friendly solution.

Coincidentally, about the same time, contractors were seen as the great hope by organizations to fill the IT skills gap. Now not many firms are shouting that mantra on the streets either!

PZZ

[pzz76077]

In this context a private individual is someone who has come here independent of any offshoring company.

Ask yourself whether the economic bullet points in the OP apply to a PI and you will get my point.

QUOTE:
'It is about Indian staff are body shopped into UK offices. Last year there were by some estimates 55000 'offshore' people onshore. Many of these roles (in my experience) are not suitable to be located in India. So that's c.55000 UK redundancies.'

The core of your argument is completely wrong. 55k ICT's did not lead to 55k UK redundancies.

The options were, 55k ICTs come here to work or the work gets done by 55k Indians in India.
Which of these is best for the UK ??

PZZ

[mudskipper]

QUOTE:
'It is about Indian staff are body shopped into UK offices. Last year there were by some estimates 55000 'offshore' people onshore. Many of these roles (in my experience) are not suitable to be located in India. So that's c.55000 UK redundancies.'

The core of your argument is completely wrong. 55k ICT's did not lead to 55k UK redundancies.

The options were, 55k ICTs come here to work or the work gets done by 55k Indians in India.
Which of these is best for the UK ??

PZZ

If the work could be done in India, they wouldn't be here. The cost of an onshore worker is far higher than a worker in India.