Non technical people in the IT world

[minestrone]

If I was choosing a PM to run a project I would make sure he came from a relevant technical background.

If I was choosing a PM to work for I would make sure he knew nothing about the technical nature of my job.

I could tell my current PM the code fairies came last night and deleted all yesterday's work so I would have to do it again and he would just say OK.

[Andy2]

I like to work with non-techie PMs. Its easy to fool them.

[DieScum]

I like to work with non-techie PMs. Its easy to fool them.

It's a double edged sword though. You can do f'all and be lauded yet you can perform heroics and be damned.

It just seems so obtuse.

[original PM]

And the two above quotes are really what brings the technical world into disrepute and causes a lot of trouble for a lot of people.

I mean seriously look at what you have written - you may as well have said 'If I can take the piss, do nothing and get away with it I will'

Proffesional Contractors - I think not

[cojak]

And the two above quotes are really what brings the technical world into disrepute and causes a lot of trouble for a lot of people.

I mean seriously look at what you have written - you may as well have said 'If I can take the piss, do nothing and get away with it I will'

Proffesional Contractors - I think not

It's more a case of trying to make the project a success despite the duff PM!

[NeverBeenNorthOfTheM25]

It's more a case of trying to make the project a success despite the duff PM!

Gotta be honest with you Cojack, I think the other guy was write ...... it IS a bit like saying 'I love dumb PM's because I can just sit back and do f'all ...........'

[original PM]

I know there are a lot of b0110ck juggling PM's out there and I understand the techies frustrations

however on the flip side if you have a task to complete - then it should be completed to the best of your ability and as quickly as possible.

On another note having a bit of fun with some techies where we are, it seems they think a server 'works' if when you turn it on the lights flash and the disk whirrs.

having trouble getting them to understand that as only they can see the lights flashing and hear the disks whirring that from everyone else point of view a server works when it actual delivers the service it is supposed to.

Can any help me out on how to get a definition of 'works' to our techy teams?

[Andy2]

Gotta be honest with you Cojack, I think the other guy was write ...... it IS a bit like saying 'I love dumb PM's because I can just sit back and do f'all ...........'

You can't survive in contracting by doing f'all

Its about working at a more gentle pace

[Moscow Mule]

And the two above quotes are really what brings the technical world into disrepute and causes a lot of trouble for a lot of people.

I mean seriously look at what you have written - you may as well have said 'If I can take the piss, do nothing and get away with it I will'

Proffesional Contractors - I think not

We really need that irony smiley...

[Moscow Mule]

Can any help me out on how to get a definition of 'works' to our techy teams?

If you want your software services to work, you should contact the software team, not the hardware team - who are correct when they say their server is working.