muslim coppers

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Where is the middle-east today after at least three prophets tried to tame the people? I suppose God had to come up with a brutal relegion in order to keep people from being even more brutal to each other.

Maybe so. But every people has good and bad in them, if we look at it that way we will come to realise we are actually all the same. In the West we suffer from our share of problems and social diseases.

[northernrampage]

Stoning was against christian teaching. Hence the quote.

In fact, I'm struggling to think of any christian teaching that might be construed as advocating violence against others. I'm sure someone will help.

The Old Testament? Catholics also study the Old Testament, and are classed as Christians. Not saying it's totally full of violence, but the God of the old Testament is a vengeful God, and that section is full of wrathful acts.

I'm a lapsed Catholic... can't be the only one on here that used to pray every night and go to confession.

[Doggy Styles]

hmm let me see, how about the story of Noah?

Mass terrorism?

Noah had nothing to do with Christianity, or Islam for that matter.

[Doggy Styles]

The Old Testament? Catholics also study the Old Testament, and are classed as Christians. Not saying it's totally full of violence, but the God of the old Testament is a vengeful God, and that section is full of wrathful acts.

I'm a lapsed Catholic... can't be the only one on here that used to pray every night and go to confession.

The old testament is not christian teachings. I can see why you lapsed if you think it is.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I don't how many of you guys went to university (or did but didnt attend your lectures) but I remember several muslim names appearing in my computer science lectures i.e. Advanced Mathematics and Algorithms where the "fathers" of the sciences were all Muslims. It may be the case the Muslim countries are backwards now in their thinking but if it is the fault of the religion then howcomes they were so advanced when we were in our dark ages? Perhaps the religion has changed overtime like any other religion? Fabrications added, made up stories (e.g. of massacres) - to justify the actions some people take?

The fathers of modery chemistry, mathematics, astronomy, philosphy were all Muslim scholars (i.e. those well versed in Islam primarily). explain that one.

[NickFitz]

Asserting that the biggest threat to national security is Islam is akin to suggesting that, back in the Seventies, Eighties, and Nineties, the biggest threat to national security was Christianity.

As usual, the biggest threat to national security is from terrorists. It doesn't really matter what they believe.

[ratewhore]

Asserting that the biggest threat to national security is Islam is akin to suggesting that, back in the Seventies, Eighties, and Nineties, the biggest threat to national security was Christianity.

As usual, the biggest threat to national security is from terrorists. It doesn't really matter what they believe.

I would consider 'the troubles' to be political, not religious. You have to admit, the IRA did not want to make the world Christian did they?

[xoggoth]

What a ridiculous comparison. I don't recall anyone in the IRA stating that Christianity was the reason for their actions or naming their group after Christ or Christian characters.

The difference here is that Islamic terrorists are specifically acting in the name of Islam because it is they who tell us so. They are not simply acting because of other grievances, does a Pakistani Muslim know any more about the situation in Gaza than any of us here? Generally not, the only reason Pakistanis and others get involves is because they share the same religion.

Islamic terrorism is about Islam. The lack of logic on this issue by those excusing it is stupifying.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

I agree that the comparison is very weak.

Definitley those who are the most violent and disgraceful people (wishing to cut the heads off people, suicide bombing etc) are from people who say that they are doing what Islam says.

But I have read histories of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and the faiths often bear little resemblence to the people who claim to follow them.

It is what happened after the coming of the religions that lead to these different sects and random beliefs forming. People used them to their political advantage and brain washed the masses to get what they want. This is exactly what is happening today. There is a particular "brand" of Islam which is spreading and it is that "brand" which needs to be wiped out. Otherwise you will find all the religions are the same at heart. In all religions we have:

"love thy neighbour"
"do to others what you would have done to yourself"
charity
saving life
forgiving others
doing work for non-financial rewards

If you go and read the scriptures you will be astonished to see the similarity. Unfortunatley some idiots focus on th ambiguous and not clear cut areas and translate them or make up their own interpretations.

One thing everybody should agree upon:
This "violent brand" of "Islam" needs to be wiped out and all especially Muslims need to work hard to get rid of it.

And if you don't agree with anything I said then at least realise that its in your own interest to do that.

[EC4N]

...They are not simply acting because of other grievances...,

Islamic terrorism is about Islam. The lack of logic on this issue by those excusing it is stupifying.

The biggest radicalisation of muslims and especially the youth has been undoutedly over the past decade.

And to paraphrase Bill Clinton: 'It's the war stupid!'.