Terrorists have arrived

[Chico]

sasguru so all religions are the same in your logic.

Religion A - Love thy neighbour, Thou shall not kill, forgive 70 times seven, tell the world about the Good News , a God who loves the world so much that he was prepared to become human and die for everyone

Religion B - kill all non believers, anyone who dies killing for their religion goes to paradise, kill by any means necessary kill kill kill.


Yep so in your so called "rational and logical" mind because they are both classed as "religions" they are as bad as each other. Right.

sasguru listen to the message - as Jesus said you can tell a tree by the type of fruit it produces. Now dont give me the bull about Christian's did this , crusades blah blah - go to the source - Jesus Christ. He is the person we worship not the Pope, not George Bush, Not Emperor Constantine.

[Lucifer Box]

Of course they are ultimately to blame, but are we not adult enough to discuss motivational behaviour? I realise in organised religion it's blasphemy to question however Chico presumes to know that these terrorists were not at all influenced by happened in Iraq he must be more stupid than the fairy tale he lives his life by.

For sure. I have no doubt that the bombers' handler played the Kashmir card, the Chechnya card, the Iraq card, the Bosnia card and probably a couple of Pokemon cards if that would have helped him get the result he needed. The handler has no interest in being a martyr, only in instilling in his agents' mind a belief that muslims are under indescriminate attack the world over. But at the end of the day it's them thats to blame and no one else - we should not try to justify what they did in even a semi-roundabout sort of way (which is, of course, not the same as trying to understand why they did it as that may help prevent it happening again or, as I suspect more realistically, not).

[DodgyAgent]

What they really are

Of course they are ultimately to blame, but are we not adult enough to discuss motivational behaviour? I realise in organised religion it's blasphemy to question however Chico presumes to know that these terrorists were not at all influenced by happened in Iraq he must be more stupid than the fairy tale he lives his life by.

We should not afford these people any sort of respect towards their views whatsover, as Anatole Laletsky points out in todays Times

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...693163,00.html

[Chico]

Bagpuss - you take stupidity to a whole new level. Blame Tony Blair for the bombings, Blame the oppresive west, Blame the Education system, Blame CNN, Blame scantily cladwomen, Blame everything and everyone apart from the bombers themselves. So in your twisted logic anyone who has any gripe is justified in walking unto a Tube train and blowing everyone up. I said it once and I will say it again, you sir, YOU DISGUST ME.

[Ardesco]

sasguru so all religions are the same in your logic.

Religion A - Love thy neighbour, Thou shall not kill, forgive 70 times seven, tell the world about the Good News , a God who loves the world so much that he was prepared to become human and die for everyone

Religion B - kill all non believers, anyone who dies killing for their religion goes to paradise, kill by any means necessary kill kill kill.


Yep so in your so called "rational and logical" mind because they are both classed as "religions" they are as bad as each other. Right.

sasguru listen to the message - as Jesus said you can tell a tree by the type of fruit it produces. Now dont give me the bull about Christian's did this , crusades blah blah - go to the source - Jesus Christ. He is the person we worship not the Pope, not George Bush, Not Emperor Constantine.

Bleh i'm going to have to get hold of a koran one day and see if it actually does say kill kill kill. Would be nice tou pull some passages out and make chico look like an arse.

Most religions are as bad as each other, the only two I can think off that don't cause wars are hinduism and buddhism, of caus=rse I may be wrong and I may just not know about any wars they have been involved in.

Obviously the way forward is to get rid of christians and muslims and make everybody hindu/buddhist

[Lucifer Box]

the only two I can think off that don't cause wars are hinduism and buddhism, of caus=rse I may be wrong and I may just not know about any wars they have been involved in.

You are correct, Adresco, you are wrong.

Hindus have committed plenty of atrocities and even bhuddists, as someone surprisingly linked to on here yesterday.

[DodgyAgent]

Of course they are ultimately to blame, but are we not adult enough to discuss motivational behaviour? I realise in organised religion it's blasphemy to question however Chico presumes to know that these terrorists were not at all influenced by happened in Iraq he must be more stupid than the fairy tale he lives his life by.

Well yes let us discuss the motivational behaviour, infact let us take it to its extreme and let us say that for the past fifty years we did nothing to offend Islam. What then? what sort of society would Britain be? I would imagine that Britain would now be a mirror image of Afghanistan or a backward version of Iran.

These terrorists are not representative of any democratically (or undemocratically for that matter) elected group of people in other words they have no mandate for their behaviour other than that set by their leaders.

Maybe I am wrong but to me the only motivation behind these bombers is that which motivates the leaders of these groups. I am afraid I cannot see any other motivation than power, money and self interest.

Does that discuss motives enough for you Bagpuss?

[Bagpuss]

Bagpuss - you take stupidity to a whole new level. Blame Tony Blair for the bombings, Blame the oppresive west, Blame the Education system, Blame CNN, Blame scantily cladwomen, Blame everything and everyone apart from the bombers themselves. So in your twisted logic anyone who has any gripe is justified in walking unto a Tube train and blowing everyone up. I said it once and I will say it again, you sir, YOU DISGUST ME.

FFS! I BLAME THE BOMBERS FOR THE BOMBINGS. But I would like to have seen Bush and Blair hunt the terrorists not have a war that inspires even more of them. If you think that is a left of center view anti this or anti that or means I support terrorism then you are a idiot , it's a pragmatic point of view. I think all terrorsits are scum, the IRA, ETA or AL Queda. We should try to understand why our Muslim youth has (very few) people who are for the FIRST TIME driven to these actions on UK soil and do something to stop it before it happens again. Over to you now for some religious self rightious dogmatism (which is exactly why we are in this crap)


Well yes let us discuss the motivational behaviour, infact let us take it to its extreme and let us say that for the past fifty years we did nothing to offend Islam. What then? what sort of society would Britain be? I would imagine that Britain would now be a mirror image of Afghanistan or a backward version of Iran.

Of course the terrorist will find exception anyway.The point is the situation is now worse, we didn't have a history of home grown terorists planting bombs in the UK before Iraq. We had support for Afghanistan from most of the Arab world. When it came to Iraq many moderates were against it. It was a war which had nothing to do with the war on terror, it was in essence a war fought at the wrong time, a very badly managed political own goal.

The wise thing would have been to leave Iraq well alone and concentrated on hunting down Al Queda, it's quiet probable if they had done that the London bombings wouldn't have happened.

[threaded]

DodgyAgent: I thought the literature defined the motivation for these types of guys as suicidal personalities along with sexual frustration.

Saying it has anything to do with Palestine/Afghanistan/Iraq/Oil/Crusades/Phase of the moon/anything else that is obviously too complex for such types to comprehend is just so much nonsence.

[andy]

You are correct, Adresco, you are wrong.

Hindus have committed plenty of atrocities and even bhuddists, as someone surprisingly linked to on here yesterday.

Lucifer you are so wrong. If you look at the history hindus have never tried to persecute or convert people of other religion unlike christianity or islam , infact they were persecuted by muslim and cristian invaders in india.