Climate change: the true price of the warmists' folly is becoming clear

[Diver]

[QUOTE=DodgyAgent;1042564]

I think your level of contact may be at PR(opoganda) and marketing level

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ear...-question.html

Telegraph.co.uk -Sunday 10 January 2010

Super wind farms to be £100bn prize for utilities

The awards are due to be made official by the Crown Estate by the end of next month, with the first turbines entering the water by 2014 Photo: Reuters

The Prime Minister is due to announce on Friday which power companies have won the right to build the massive wind farms, mostly in the North Sea.

The report is dated Sunday 10 January 2010

Telegraph = The awards are due to be made official by the Crown Estate by the end of next month !!!!!!!
They were made official last month

Telegraph = The Prime Minister is due to announce on Friday
Already announced 2 days ago

and these incompetents are the source you are quoting to us?

[Ardesco]

It seems most people are talking about the problem being no wind, but what about too much wind? If it starts gusting too hard wind turbines shut down to prevent damage, the damping motors to shut it down things can all go a bit pete tong.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u14tBwO5QVQ

The question is how often will wind speed be both fast enough to power it, and slow enough to not destroy it?

[AtW]

The question is how often will wind speed be both fast enough to power it, and slow enough to not destroy it?

Look, it works fine in Denmark and many other places. Investment in the field is increasing and this helps solve some of the problems earlier models had.

Apart from Solar energy pretty much all other solutions involve some kind of dependency on a fuel that will need to be bought from countries with backwards regimes.

The whole game is NOT about getting 100% of energy from these new sources - just reduce usage of oil enough (25-30%) so that the price would collapse back to where it was: $20 per barrel. Considering how much highly priced oil costs the economy all the money put into renewables are well worth it.

[Diver]

But nuclear power stations would be developed by the French : so not much better there.

I can understand why our young children dont want to enter marine engineering though. The prospect of working with Diver must put off alot of youngsters.....

1. We do have a shortage of trained engineers and other professionals, particularly in Marine Civil Engineering and Electrical.
   
   Training facilities are being sourced and set up to meet the demand
   
   
2. We do have a lack of Port facilities capable (at present) of supporting offshore development
   
   This is not a major problem, I have visited and assessed most of the ports around the UK over the past year and held consultations with all the port operators. development of the selected ports to support offshore development is not even a minor issue, and can be carried out quickly and economically
   
   
3. We do (at present) have a lack of manufacturing facilities capable of producing components for the offshore energy converters
   
   We do have a vast manufacturing and fabrication base within the UK capable of being quickly developed to meet the necessary requirements for offshore supply, I have been meeting and consulting with several manufactures and fabricators for the past few months, and there is a development strategy in place that will ensure that the UK plays a significant part in offshore development
   
   
4. We do have transport issues
   
   As with any project of such magnitude, with component transport running into millions of tonnes, Much of it as abnormal loads, there are going to be transport issues. This has been assessed over the past year and I am confident after consultation with transport companies both marine rail and road, that I have outlined a transport strategy that will meet the needs of the industry
   
   
5. We do have a lack of construction vessels capable of supporting construction further offshore

Several new purpose designed jackup barges, heavy lift vessels and DP vessels have already been commissioned and are under construction ready to meet the demand. several were completed late last year and are awaiting deployment.


Any more questions

[RichardCranium]

Any more questions

Yes.

May I have a job, please?

[AtW]

Any more questions

Yes, how many share do you own in it?

[Diver]

Yes.

May I have a job, please?

Yes if you have the engineering or marine qualifications or skills required

Seriously

[Diver]

Yes, how many share do you own in it?

Absolutely none

Seriously

[Diver]

Aren't these wind energy projects heavily subsidised? In effect UK tax payers will be subsidising foreign firms?

Most of the subsidies are through EU grants, therefore foreign taxpayers will be subsidising us

The money is coming via the European Energy Programme for Recovery (EEPR) fund, which has earmarked total grants €1 billion (£0.9 billion) to six CCS projects and €510 million (£461 million) to nine offshore wind energy projects in Europe.

As already reported by GreenWise in October, £164 million of the funding is to go to Powerfuel Ltd ito develop a new 900 megawatt (MW) CCS power plant at Hatfield, Yorkshire.

Scottish Hydro Electric Transmission, a division of Scottish and Southern Energy, will receive £67 million to build an intermediary platform on its planned high-voltage direct current link between Shetland and Scottish mainland to connect offshore wind and marine generation.

Meanwhile, Aberdeen Offshore Wind Farm Ltd, will receive £36 million to develop a wind deployment facility for the testing of multi MW turbines and to optimise the manufacturing capacities of offshore wind energy production equipment.




HTH

[Gonzo]

The reason why the Hoover dam is so strong is that they didn't understand how forces worked and had no means of modelling it. So they way overspecced it and added in a truckload of fudge factors. The result is that the dam itself is stronger than the valley it sits in - and the concrete is still curing to this day, making it even stronger day-by-day.

Now we build them exactly as strong as they need to be - at least that's the theory anyway.

At the time the Hoover Dam was built a recent catastrophe would have been fresh in people's minds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam.

The St Francis Dam disaster was the end of William Mulholland's career and it is only more recent geological science developments that have exonerated him.