Climate change: the true price of the warmists' folly is becoming clear

[Gonzo]

Look, it works fine in Denmark and many other places. Investment in the field is increasing and this helps solve some of the problems earlier models had.

Apart from Solar energy pretty much all other solutions involve some kind of dependency on a fuel that will need to be bought from countries with backwards regimes.

The whole game is NOT about getting 100% of energy from these new sources - just reduce usage of oil enough (25-30%) so that the price would collapse back to where it was: $20 per barrel. Considering how much highly priced oil costs the economy all the money put into renewables are well worth it.

AtW talking some sense.

By the law of averages it was bound to happen sooner or later.

[Diver]

AtW talking some sense.

By the law of averages it was bound to happen sooner or later.

I missed that post!

Well done ATW

[Diver]

It doesn't if there's an alternative, or stored energy, to take up the slack.

Originally Posted by EternalOptimist View Post
A stoopid question

why does the power supply need to be 100% continuous

Our biggest problem is not generating the power, unfortunately for most of the time we will be generating power far in excess of the requirements. this is why we are developing a brokerage scheme.

An international power grid that will see the excess power sold off to the continent, in return we get carbon offset and power in return during peak demand periods. This can be in the form of Electricity credit or Gas credit.
This is still at the drawing board stage at the moment, but should be in place by the time all the fields are in full production in 2025.

[AtW]

AtW talking some sense.

By the law of averages it was bound to happen sooner or later.

I used wrong account to make that post - it was meant to be done under my Diver sockie

[Diver]

I used wrong account to make that post - it was meant to be done under my Diver sockie

See <-----Diver sockie

[pzz76077]

A couple of questions....

What are the economic benefits of wind power- when 25% of the UK energy needs are effectively generated free of fuel costs- what are the expected cost savings for the average UK citizen likely to be??

If the planned projects to build all these huge offshore wind farms are delivered late or cost substantially more to complete, what will the impact on UK power capacity be??
Surely if the project fails, it will be too late to knock up a couple of nuclear plants etc??

What is the environmental impact of thousands of wind turbines, on wind/weather patterns??

Does anyone know?? Is there any reliable data??


It all sounds very high risk to me, and nobody really knows how successful the program will be.

PZZ

[AtW]

Does anyone know?? Is there any reliable data??

Denmark is generating 25% of power using wind, that's pretty damn good considering they don't get areas with really strong winds like offshore of Scotland.

If whole of Europe generated 25% of power from wind it would mean in practical terms that Gazprom of Russia can be told where to go: it would be interesting to see where it would sell it's gas when all pipelines it has go to Europe.

Gas/oil/coal/nuclear stations can help deal with surges of demand - wind/solar can help offset 25-30% of power needs, that's more than enough to ensure that 3rd world dictators who happened to have gas/oil/coal resources would think twice before fecking about with their customers.

[Diver]

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What are the economic benefits of wind power- when 25% of the UK energy needs are effectively generated free of fuel costs- what are the expected cost savings for the average UK citizen likely to be??

I have no data on cost savings, but have heard the figure of ~12% bandied about

If the planned projects to build all these huge offshore wind farms are delivered late or cost substantially more to complete, what will the impact on UK power capacity be??

The generation capacity of <30% of the the offshore capacity producing on-time is sufficient to warrant development over conventional power stations

Surely if the project fails, it will be too late to knock up a couple of nuclear plants etc??

The project? which project? there are over 30 projects under development. Wind, Wave and Tidal generation, by a multitude of different developers. Are you suggesting that there is a possibility that all of them may fail?

What is the environmental impact of thousands of wind turbines, on wind/weather patterns?? Does anyone know?? Is there any reliable data??

Wind and weather patterns are variable, data gathered from existing farms shows that effects are localised to immediately downwind of the turbines and limited to less than 2 kilometres. the most noticeable effect is jetstreaming which can create an effect similar to the contrails from aircraft for several hundred metres behind a turbine in certain weather conditions. There are no adverse affects recorded, despite long term monitoring by the environment agency and several Environmental groups, including Greenpeace.

It all sounds very high risk to me, and nobody really knows how successful the program will be.

Determination of viability has been a major factor in the Round III program, Worldwide historic Data from existing wind farms clearly indicate that the program is both viable and cost effective

HTH

[AtW]

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I have no data on cost savings, but have heard the figure of ~12% bandied about



The generation capacity of <30% of the the offshore capacity producing on-time is sufficient to warrant development over conventional power stations



The project? which project? there are over 30 projects under development. Wind, Wave and Tidal generation, by a multitude of different developers. Are you suggesting that there is a possibility that all of them may fail?




Wind and weather patterns are variable, data gathered from existing farms shows that effects are localised to immediately downwind of the turbines and limited to less than 2 kilometres. the most noticeable effect is jetstreaming which can create an effect similar to the contrails from aircraft for several hundred metres behind a turbine in certain weather conditions. There are no adverse affects recorded, despite long term monitoring by the environment agency and several Environmental groups, including Greenpeace.



Determination of viability has been a major factor in the Round III program, Worldwide historic Data from existing wind farms clearly indicate that the program is both viable and cost effective

HTH

Boring!



PZZZ

[Diver]

[QUOTE=AtW;1042742]

Boring!



PZZZ

Sorry, I forgot to include something about guns