Climate change: the true price of the warmists' folly is becoming clear

[centurian]

So how many wind turbines do you need to produce the same power output as a nuclear power station?

Several thousand. A typical nuclear power station produces 1GW (1000MW), but produces it 24/7.

Most wind turbines produce 1-3MW, but don't produce it all the time.

[Diver]

You mean one does not want submarines bump into wind turbines

Tidal Turbines

Only Russian ones

[DodgyAgent]

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As someone who is training some of these engineer in wind farm technology and methodology I would like you to consider the following:

a) The offshore developments are in areas of consistent wind, they do work in cold snaps, they are generating power in areas of the world where the temperatures are far lower than we get in the UK


b) this was true of the 1st generation turbines, the new generation turbines are far more reliable, the records from already existing wind turbine operators (Capital Grant Records/Reports) show far greater reliability and cost effective generation than initially anticipated for even the older turbines.




c) Wrong! the long term O&M costs and recyclability coupled with generation costs, offset the initial installation costs by a wide margin



d) this is the view of the experts in Oil production and supply who want money to be invested in Bio fuels development.

I wont argue with you. What I will say is that my opinions are those of senior engineers within the very companies who have the contracts to build and maintain these things.
Many of these companies build boilers and turbines that are powered by all sorts of different "fuels"
like everyone else in the climate change industry each person has his own agenda and wind farms are hard pieces of metal (sorry sops) that make us believe that the vast fortunes that are being spent on global warming are being spent wisely.

[Diver]

Several thousand. A typical nuclear power station produces 1GW (1000MW), but produces it 24/7.

Most wind turbines produce 1-3MW, but don't produce it all the time.

Land Based turbines

6.5 MW - 10 MW for the new offshore turbines

[AtW]

Several thousand. A typical nuclear power station produces 1GW (1000MW), but produces it 24/7.

Most wind turbines produce 1-3MW, but don't produce it all the time.

Britain does not mine uranium - it will need to be bought on fairly closed market, with supplies often found in backwards countries that one should not finance.

Wind is essentially free - plus if nuclear stations gets broken it's a totally different kind of problem then if some wind turbines get knocked off. In fact high number of wind turbines is an advantage not benefit - you spread the risk.

The costs of nuclear waste removal will also be astronomical.

That said I think a few nuclear stations are needed, they can be used to plug in the gap when wind/solar stuff does not work.

[DodgyAgent]

I do, The technology still needs a lot of work though, as the best options are in deeper water and we are developing new technology to meet the demands of O&M. Maintenance of the systems is easy for shallow water, but proposed locations are tending toward deeper water due to navigation issues.

I see you have descended into "political speak" jargon.

[AtW]

I see you have descended into "political speak" jargon.

How do you call the "agents" jardon?

[centurian]

Land Based turbines

6.5 MW - 10 MW for the new offshore turbines

Yes, but are we going to be installing those.

Also if the largest turbine in the world is only rated at 6-7MW (and isn't even operational yet), I have my doubts about the 10MW ones.

http://www.metaefficient.com/news/ne...megawatts.html

[Diver]

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I wont argue with you. What I will say is that my opinions are those of senior engineers within the very companies who have the contracts to build and maintain these things.

I deal every working day with the senior engineers of all but two of the companies involved in Construction and Operation, Maintenance and management of the existing offshore wind farms and the proposed Round 3 wind farms, I am also involved directly in coordinating O&M on several of the existing wind farms.
You may be dealing with HR managers and lower echelon engineers and other managers, but theirs is not the opinion of those senior enough to have full insight of the issues involved, either financial or logistical.

[AtW]

Yes, but are we going to be installing those.

Probably, but by the time UK's turn for order comes new turbines will have lots better everything...