85 Sharia courts in the UK

[snaw]

I'd rather run the risk of getting mugged than being kidnapped and having my throat cut.

Fat chance I know, but please can you just go away?

Really.

Or at least go tell your neighbour off for leaving his bins out, instead of posting tulipe here?

[RichardCranium]

I saw a procession of half a dozen women in the full black ninja gear yesterday in the city scuttling by, what with the heat as well you could have been in Riyadh.
It used to be very rare to see the full face veil, but it is getting increasingly common.

That's odd. Between forty and ten years ago when I was growing up and then working in London I used to see it a lot. In the main shopping streets and many parts of North London it was all the time. I never went to East London but I bet it went on there too. I saw it in West London in the early 1990s when I was there.

It's not new. It's just news.

[lilelvis2000]

You know, Cyberturd, There are a lot of Muslim bashing forums and groups and websites around...why not post on there. Or would that be preaching to the converted?

[xoggoth]

How many Islamic countries have you been in?

What a stupid comment. Judge by a bit of tourism or perhaps at best some contract time, never mind checking the laws of the country and how they are implemented in practice. Unless you insist on public drinking and immodesty or go around trying to convert Muslims or publicly insulting Islam it is scarcely likely that Islamic laws will affect you as they affect the citizens of that country.

Over and over one sees comments on the net that absolve Islam based on the fact that someone stayed in a Muslim country for a while or knows a few Muslims and they are jolly nice people. I don't dispute it, but that doesn't alter the profoundly undemocratic and intolerant nature of the creed as evidenced in the actual practice of Islamic laws worldwide.

The practices in the very worst of those states are the ones that are in line with the Qu'ran and the Haddiths. People should try reading them to see just what sort of man the prophet was. True, there are more moderate versions of Islam, even if none allow the sort of freedom and equality that most of us want, but do you really want to let it take over and trust to Islamic politics what sort of government you get?

[xoggoth]

How about some of you people abusing Cyberman actually present some informed comment based on knowledge and reality?

Kindly let us know:

a) If you approve of stonings, cutting off limbs, imprisonment (or worse) of gays, unequal treatment of women, imprisonment or exclusion (or worse) for heresy, apostacy or criticism of Islam or ritual slaughter of animals?

b) If not, what do you think these practices are about in Islamic countries? Nothing to do with Islam? Please explain your reasons.

c) Can you explain the real meaning of the clauses in the Qu'ran and what the prophet said and had done in the Haddiths (stonings etc as above) if they do not mean not exactly what they appear to mean?

d) You HAVE read them haven't you?

[minestrone]

What a stupid comment. Judge by a bit of tourism or perhaps at best some contract time, never mind checking the laws of the country and how they are implemented in practice. Unless you insist on public drinking and immodesty or go around trying to convert Muslims or publicly insulting Islam it is scarcely likely that Islamic laws will affect you as they affect the citizens of that country.

Over and over one sees comments on the net that absolve Islam based on the fact that someone stayed in a Muslim country for a while or knows a few Muslims and they are jolly nice people. I don't dispute it, but that doesn't alter the profoundly undemocratic and intolerant nature of the creed as evidenced in the actual practice of Islamic laws worldwide.

The practices in the very worst of those states are the ones that are in line with the Qu'ran and the Haddiths. People should try reading them to see just what sort of man the prophet was. True, there are more moderate versions of Islam, even if none allow the sort of freedom and equality that most of us want, but do you really want to let it take over and trust to Islamic politics what sort of government you get?

First off it was a question not a comment, but anyway, how many Islamic countries have you been in?

[Menelaus]

Ah, the age-old tradition - fighting over religion.

Two bald men, fighting over a comb or arguing who's got the best imaginary friend.

[The Lone Gunman]

How about some of you people abusing Cyberman actually present some informed comment based on knowledge and reality?

Kindly let us know:

a) If you approve of stonings, cutting off limbs, imprisonment (or worse) of gays, unequal treatment of women, imprisonment or exclusion (or worse) for heresy, apostacy or criticism of Islam or ritual slaughter of animals?

b) If not, what do you think these practices are about in Islamic countries? Nothing to do with Islam? Please explain your reasons.

c) Can you explain the real meaning of what the clauses in the Qu'ran and what the prophet said and had done in the Haddiths (stonings etc as above) if they do not mean not exactly what they appear to mean?

d) You HAVE read them haven't you?

I am abusing Cybertwat because he brings this up again and again. It is scare mongering and misrepresentation of the worst order. These kind of attempts to demonise Islam actualy undermine the very valid points you attempt to make and allow the Islamophiles to group all opposition as rabid Islamaphobia.

There is a vast difference between what has been implemented and "sleep walking towards an Islamic state".
I would be much more concerned about other things than sharia courts in the UK.

[snaw]

How about some of you people abusing Cyberman actually present some informed comment based on knowledge and reality?

Kindly let us know:

a) If you approve of stonings, cutting off limbs, imprisonment (or worse) of gays, unequal treatment of women, imprisonment or exclusion (or worse) for heresy, apostacy or criticism of Islam or ritual slaughter of animals?

b) If not, what do you think these practices are about in Islamic countries? Nothing to do with Islam? Please explain your reasons.

c) Can you explain the real meaning of what the clauses in the Qu'ran and what the prophet said and had done in the Haddiths (stonings etc as above) if they do not mean not exactly what they appear to mean?

d) You HAVE read them haven't you?

Xog, you're presenting a reasonable argument (Though you do appear to harbour a passionate dislike for Islam). I reckon most of the points you raise are valid points, but equally we (The Christian west) weren't so different not so long ago, and I believe most of these arguments highlight the worst parts in Islam, not necessarily the norm in most Islamic cultures.

CB on the other hand, well he's just an out and out knob who talks bollocks all day long, and posts some of the stupidest tulip I've seen put up on this board in the 6 years I been posting, and is someone who pretty much everyone on this board just wishes would **** off a bother someone else.

[sasguru]

Xog:

Islam is a backward and repressive creed (all religions are really), but:

(1) contrary to cretinous opinion, the UK is not about to become an Islamic state any time soon.
(2) If you are visiting a (non war zone, non-fanatical) Muslim country like Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Oman etc. you are much safer than walking in London.