Geert Wilders in Denmark: Deporting millions of Muslims may be necessary

[darmstadt]

Who is to say that the Islamification of Europe is not a good outcome?

Then we wouldn't be able to drink beer

[Churchill]

Who is to say that the Islamification of Europe is not a good outcome?

Currently, anyone in Europe who wants to. However try that after islamification...

[ace00]

You are talking absolute bollocks ......
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Not sure how you moved so far off thread, but lets try to keep to the theme if we can.

Seemed like a reasoned ,on-topic case to me.
Try and build a church in Saudi and see how far you get with that.
In 20 years there will be pan-European Islamic political parties with guaranteed 10% ++ of vote and Sharia policies................fun

[snaw]

**** me, bits of the thread are starting to resemble a BNP brochure.

Can we all just lighten the **** up? I know plenty of muslims born and bred here, half of them like a bevvie but even the majority of the ones that don't are decent people who aren't in the slightest bit interested in Sharia law in this country, or some kind of muslim take over.

They're not all bad. In fact the majority in my experience are decent people. It seems like a few nutjobs that spoil the party, bit like judging all 'whities' by the BNP.

[The Lone Gunman]

You are talking absolute bollocks - I have studied the Qu'ran and other Islamic texts in Medina and my father was in the diplomatic corp in Egypt, Algeria and Jordan so this is where I spent most of my early life.
I have also live and worked in most of the countries you mention so have first hand experience on the ground.

Its idiots like you that perpetuate the groundless stereotypes that are abound amongst more the backward members of western society.

At the end of the day people are people all over the world and all ideologies being man made are only designed to enslave the masses for the benefit of the few.
Not sure how you moved so far off thread, but lets try to keep to the theme if we can.

PZZ

Xoggy is one of our oldest and wisest and he is not talking bollocks.
You are not the only one to have studied and what he says about the Koran is true. It quite clearly states that non believers can be welcomed, but only as long as they pay the tax and serve a purpose. It also says that those who will not accept the teachings of the profit should be put to death. It quite clearly states that non believers are lesser citizens as are women. It requires the word of 2 non believers to gain say a believer (how then can Muslims be Police officers etc) and that women should receive half what men do from wills and other settlements.
It does teach peace and tolerance, but it says there are limits. It says that when the time is right that all who will not convert must die.
Many Islamic nations operate the peace and tolerance approach, but strict adherance is what we see in the less tolerant regimes and that is ultimate Islam and will come to all once it is the majority. Those that do not adhere will be declared apostate and be put to death with the rest of us.
Islam is not just a religion it is also a political ideology.

This is not off topic. These are the reasons why these right wing types want radical action against Islam.

Threaded: You would probably suit a Burka and the rest of us would rather you wore one but I would rather keep my freedoms.

[Churchill]

**** me, bits of the thread are starting to resemble a BNP brochure.

Can we all just lighten the **** up? I know plenty of muslims born and bred here, half of them like a bevvie but even the majority of the ones that don't are decent people who aren't in the slightest bit interested in Sharia law in this country, or some kind of muslim take over.

They're not all bad. In fact the majority in my experience are decent people. It seems like a few nutjobs that spoil the party, bit like judging all 'whities' by the BNP.

So, because someone objects to the Islamification of Europe they're tarred with the BNP brush?

Also, anyone care to tell me how many Sharia Courts there are in the UK?
(And why there are any at all?)

[snaw]

Xoggy is one of our oldest and wisest and he is not talking bollocks.
You are not the only one to have studied and what he says about the Koran is true. It quite clearly states that non believers can be welcomed, but only as long as they pay the tax and serve a purpose. It also says that those who will not accept the teachings of the profit should be put to death. It quite clearly states that non believers are lesser citizens as are women. It requires the word of 2 non believers to gain say a believer (how then can Muslims be Police officers etc) and that women should receive half what men do from wills and other settlements.
It does teach peace and tolerance, but it says there are limits. It says that when the time is right that all who will not convert must die.
Many Islamic nations operate the peace and tolerance approach, but strict adherance is what we see in the less tolerant regimes and that is ultimate Islam and will come to all once it is the majority. Those that do not adhere will be declared apostate and be put to death with the rest of us.
Islam is not just a religion it is also a political ideology.

This is not off topic. These are the reasons why these right wing types want radical action against Islam.

Threaded: You would probably suit a Burka and the rest of us would rather you wore one but I would rather keep my freedoms.

Go away and read the bible and you'll equally find many objectionable bits. Most muslims in this country don't want or follow the strictest interpretation of Islam.

FFS, we're not living in Saudia Arabi, and strangely enough even most muslim countries aren't as strict as saudi arabia, even with populations that are majority muslim. It's not gonna happen, here or in europe.

[snaw]

So, because someone objects to the Islamification of Europe they're tarred with the BNP brush?

Also, anyone care to tell me how many Sharia Courts there are in the UK?
(And why there are any at all?)

The Islamification of Europe ... really?

Sounds to me exactly like something I'd expect to hear in the BNP brochure.

[The Lone Gunman]

Also, anyone care to tell me how many Sharia Courts there are in the UK?
(And why there are any at all?)

There are no Sharia courts in the sense that we see courts. What has been established is more like ACAS. It is an arbitration service than can now be accepted as legally binding. Both parties have to agree to it and can not reject the results if it does not fall in their favour. It is limited in its scope.
It will actualy benefit the courts system as many Muslims would rather have a sharia ruling than go to court to sort out a dispute.
Any agreement must be within the law of the UK.
Muslims have always been able to get Sharia rulings, the new service just makes the decisions legally binding.
My main concern here is that some people will be bullied into this Sharia service rather than seeking the protection of UK law.

This is a good thing.

[AlfredJPruffock]

Democracy is about the will of the people not the will of Allah and we want rational laws based on the needs of the current populace not the supposed teachings of a 6th century warlord.

Who could argue with that ?

And yet George Bush said the reason he launched the Iraq War was because God told him to do so.