Geert Wilders in Denmark: Deporting millions of Muslims may be necessary

[Churchill]

The Islamification of Europe ... really?

Sounds to me exactly like something I'd expect to hear in the BNP brochure.

Whether or not the threat of Islamification is real or not, it's peoples perception of that threat that has added credence to the likes of the BNP UKIP etc. The current government are doing nothing to allay those fears.

Why are there Sharia Courts in the UK?

TLG, I disagree* that the current system of Sharia Courts is a good thing in the UK, Sharia is not the law of the land.

And because I live in the UK, I'm entitled to disagree.

[snaw]

Whether or not the threat of Islamification is real or not, it's peoples perception of that threat that has added credence to the likes of the BNP UKIP etc. The current government are doing nothing to allay those fears.

Why are there Sharia Courts in the UK?

So what is the UK government supposed to be doing to counter the perception of the threat of the Islamification of Europe? Sounds ridiculous even typing it.

While they're at it, can they do something about the perception of the threat of the Jewish conspiracy that secretly rules the world? (You know, the protocols of the elders of Zion or whatever they're called). And don't get me started on secret societies ...

BTW why does a Sharia court bother you anyway? We got jewish courts, are they equally objectionable?

[The Lone Gunman]

Go away and read the bible and you'll equally find many objectionable bits. Most muslims in this country don't want or follow the strictest interpretation of Islam.

FFS, we're not living in Saudia Arabi, and strangely enough even most muslim countries aren't as strict as saudi arabia, even with populations that are majority muslim. It's not gonna happen, here or in europe.

There is a vast difference between Christianity and Islam.
In an Islamic nation those who do not follow Islam can and will be declared apsotates, those who have left the right path, and will be treated accordingly. If the UK ever became an Islamic state you would see all your not so strict Muslims change drasticaly and rapidly. It is not their choice as to how their religion is practiced.

Certainly, not all Islamic nations follow the Taliban route and there are differences between Sunni and Shiia interpretations (there are others too) but they do share common beliefs.

I believe that anybody has a right to follow their faith. I also believe that their faith should not impinge on others.
I believe that the right wing parties are being hysterical about this, but I believe that there is some truth in what they are saying. I think their solution is wrong.

[Churchill]

So what is the UK government supposed to be doing to counter the perception of the threat of the Islamification of Europe? Sounds ridiculous even typing it.

While they're at it, can they do something about the perception of the threat of the Jewish conspiracy that secretly rules the world? (You know, the protocols of the elders of Zion or whatever they're called). And don't get me started on secret societies ...

BTW why does a Sharia court bother you anyway? We got jewish courts, are they equally objectionable?

Yes, they are equally objectionable.

There is a reason why we have a separation between church and state in this country!

I believe that anybody has a right to follow their faith. I also believe that their faith should not impinge on others.
I believe that the right wing parties are being hysterical about this, but I believe that there is some truth in what they are saying. I think their solution is wrong.

WHS++;

[PM-Junkie]

There is a vast difference between Christianity and Islam.
In an Islamic nation those who do not follow Islam can and will be declared apsotates, those who have left the right path, and will be treated accordingly. If the UK ever became an Islamic state you would see all your not so strict Muslims change drasticaly and rapidly. It is not their choice as to how their religion is practiced.

Certainly, not all Islamic nations follow the Taliban route and there are differences between Sunni and Shiia interpretations (there are others too) but they do share common beliefs.

I believe that anybody has a right to follow their faith. I also believe that their faith should not impinge on others.
I believe that the right wing parties are being hysterical about this, but I believe that there is some truth in what they are saying. I think their solution is wrong.

I suggest you read some history. The only difference between islam and christianity is a few hundred years.

Organised religion is all about power and control. Always has been, always will be.

[Churchill]

I suggest you read some history. The only difference between islam and christianity is a few hundred years.

Organised religion is all about power and control. Always has been, always will be.

Maintain the separation between Church and State. If you want to follow Islam then fine. Just don't expect to turn the country into an Islamic state.

Where's the problem?

[The Lone Gunman]

TLG, I disagree* that the current system of Sharia Courts is a good thing in the UK, Sharia is not the law of the land.

And because I live in the UK, I'm entitled to disagree.

I accept you are entitled. I was just trying to explain how it is and that reports of Sharia courts in the UK is media hysterics.
Muslims have a belief system and a written code of practice. Many wish to live by this code and have used Sharia for many years. All the UK has done is recognised these rulings as legally binding as long as they are within UK law.

I assume that as a Mason and as a gentleman you often accept rulings or enter into agreements that are not stipulated in UK law? Is there such a thing as a Masonic court (dont answer that if it is beyond your rules). If the other party defaults on their side of the agreement there is nothing (short of a kicking) you can do about it. The Muslims have just made their agreements legaly binding.

This service is only for those who wish to live by Sharia and is a choice. It allows Muslims to settle their disputes without taking complicated issues to a court that may disregard their religious beliefs.

I see that as a good thing all round, but as you said, you are entitled to disagree.

[BrilloPad]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-akx0...layer_embedded

Do you guys think it might also be necessary in the uk?

The only one I want deported from the UK are those with work visas. Especially those in IT. And I want to make offshoring illegal......

[PM-Junkie]

Maintain the separation between Church and State. If you want to follow Islam then fine. Just don't expect to turn the country into an Islamic state.

Where's the problem?

How the hell do you get from "organised religion is about power and control" and that there's little difference between chistianity and islam (aside from a few hundred years) to think that I wish to follow islam and turn Britain into an islamic state????

[BrilloPad]

How the hell do you get from "organised religion is about power and control" and that there's little difference between chistianity and islam (aside from a few hundred years) to think that I wish to follow islam and turn Britain into an islamic state????

You really know how to misread a post? Why dont you get and read Churchill's original post then try again.