G20 Protester dies

[Doggy Styles]

From the close-up video footage, he looked like he was just ambling along with his hands in his pockets, AWAY from Old Bill. One of the Old Bill suddenly stepped forward and knocked him to the floor from behind.

No excuse for Old Bill there.

[Moscow Mule]

From the close-up video footage, he looked like he was just ambling along with his hands in his pockets, AWAY from Old Bill. One of the Old Bill suddenly stepped forward and knocked him to the floor from behind.

No excuse for Old Bill there.

Hopefully said Old Bill will be charged with manslaughter. From the article, it looks like the Gruaniad has plenty of hi-res pictures in their dossier so they should be able to ID the fella.

[Cyberman]

If memory serves it was protest at an NF rally. He was clobbered with either a rubberised radio or a lead filled baton wielded by a member of the SPG depending upon you believe. The inquest recorded death by misadventure and an inquiry is continually ruled out.

The police however failed to kill Stephen Waldorf. Though they did shoot him 5 times at close range and allegedly one officer pistol whipped him when he ran out of ammunition. They shot at him 14 times from fairly close range. Makes one worry a bit about the accuracy of firearms officers. I recall in this case 2 officers were eventually acquitted of criminal charges.

Clearly this sort of response is considered to be proportionate.

That all seems pretty accurate to me. My personal response has always been to avoid police and particularly potential riot situations. Commonsense really. You may lose a day's pay, but that is better than losing your life !!

[ASB]

Hopefully said Old Bill will be charged with manslaughter. From the article, it looks like the Gruaniad has plenty of hi-res pictures in their dossier so they should be able to ID the fella.

To be honest I dunno. Remove the disastorous consequences and the worst there appears to be would be common assault or possibly ABH. The intent of plod was almost certainly only to clear the area could they have reasonably expected these consequences?

If I were on the inquest I doubt I would be thinking of intent. Merely a horrible accident. But could that be manslaughter? Possibly - but only because of the unexpecte consequence.

Compare this one http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/7948204.stm

He got done for manslaughter because he happened to kill an innocent bystander whilst hoping to hurt somebody else.

Now, wheres my ginger ale....

[threaded]

Sorry, ASB, and standing by to be corrected, but if you attack someone while carrying a weapon it is a charge of GBH. "The Offences Against the Persons Act 1847" (or is that 1861), sections 18 and 20.

[BrilloPad]

From the close-up video footage, he looked like he was just ambling along with his hands in his pockets, AWAY from Old Bill. One of the Old Bill suddenly stepped forward and knocked him to the floor from behind.

No excuse for Old Bill there.

I think you will find that "ambling along with his hands in his pockets" is a specific offence. He could have been carrying a bomb and about to detonate.

He was lucky not to be pumped full of lead. Or whatever they make bullets out of these days.

[expat]

That all seems pretty accurate to me. My personal response has always been to avoid police and particularly potential riot situations. Commonsense really. You may lose a day's pay, but that is better than losing your life !!

You are right about that, but it would be shameful to accept that the police in this country are likely to injure or kill innocent people needlessly, and that we should neither be surprised nor complain.

[EternalOptimist]

You are right about that, but it would be shameful to accept that the police in this country are likely to injure or kill innocent people needlessly, and that we should neither be surprised nor complain.

I agree with Cyberman.
If I am walking down the street and I see a foaming savage dog straining at the leash, I give it a wide berth.
The fact that I equate our police with foaming savage animals is a bit of a problem though

[Lockhouse]

From the close-up video footage, he looked like he was just ambling along with his hands in his pockets, AWAY from Old Bill. One of the Old Bill suddenly stepped forward and knocked him to the floor from behind.

No excuse for Old Bill there.

Much as I support the police generally I have to agree - they overreacted and the bloke later died. The evidence looks damning IMHO.

Cybertory is just trying to defend his stance but he'd be advised to cut & run as he's on shaky ground here.

[ASB]

Sorry, ASB, and standing by to be corrected, but if you attack someone while carrying a weapon it is a charge of GBH. "The Offences Against the Persons Act 1847" (or is that 1861), sections 18 and 20.

You may well be right. But for section 18 you need to show intent - probably difficult here. For section 20 you need to show at least awareness that the action might cause wounding. What constitutes wounding is defined by case law and needs a break in the skin and blood - outside the body - internal injuries aren't enough. However it doesn't need a weapon to be GBH, severity of wounds can be enough. conversely if there is a weapon and there is a legal wound then it may well be GBH - so it could be.