Israel

[AtW]

I stay in a very Jewish area, why don't I go round and brick all their windows, guilty by association?

Do you get rockets fired at around your house from that area on regular basis? No.

Do you get suicide bombers blowing themselves near your house from that area? No.

I would not go brick anyone locally because they got nothing to do with the conflict far away. In Gaza however the people who were attacked had a lot to do with this stuff in a very direct way - if they did not fire any rockets then I'd say Israel made mistake, but they did fire plenty of rockets deliberately provoking response - they have nobody to blame but themselves. Frankly people who send suicide bombers to target civilians have no moral right to complain when bombs hit their command structures and kills civilians around them - at least Israel does its best to target people who are doing this stuff, unlike HAMAS.

Just what the heck palestinians expect with those rockets? Would they win the war with them? Clearly it won't - all they achieve is lose support for their cause, though I think the only support they care about is from Iran, and I doubt they actually want to end this conflict in their lifetimes as they just want to die fighting. There is not a lot you can do about such people apart from granting their wish.

This all reflects on palestinians really bad - Israel left Gaza and made practical steps towards resolution of this conflict - palestinians need someone like Ghandi if they actually want to win, total rethink of what they did, this is of course is not going to happen as their brains are filled up with religious nonsense that is driving them towards extinction.

[Liability]

Palestinians get what they ask for really.

Hmm not sure I agree with this.

There actions and responses are due to their suppression.

The land that has been stolen from there is THEIRS.

When you have no other choice but to take action like they do - than youd understand why they do it.

WHATEVER THEY ARE DOING IS WRONG - However you need to understand history on that region before making The Sun like comments.

[Liability]

Do you get rockets fired at around your house from that area on regular basis? No.

Do you get suicide bombers blowing themselves near your house from that area? No.

I would not go brick anyone locally because they got nothing to do with the conflict far away. In Gaza however the people who were attacked had a lot to do with this stuff in a very direct way - if they did not fire any rockets then I'd say Israel made mistake, but they did fire plenty of rockets deliberately provoking response - they have nobody to blame but themselves. Frankly people who send suicide bombers to target civilians have no moral right to complain when bombs hit their command structures and kills civilians around them - at least Israel does its best to target people who are doing this stuff, unlike HAMAS.

ATW bear with me on this

You have a house - you have 3 children and a wife. The house is yours and you have lived there for many years and the house has been in your generation for many years and centuries.

One day I come along and kidnap you in your OWN house and then take your entire family and lock you in your room. I then, over the course of decades, limit your food, clothes and day to day living requirements. I then let you kids die as they have medical issues but I will not let them get treated. I then see your wife die and laugh and let her die. You have no weapons, you have no other means of attacked back aside from a chair which is made out of wood.
Eventually, given the opportunity you WILL try and escape or kill me. If your family have been killed you WILL want to kill me.

The above is no different to what is happening in Palestine and Israel.

Israel took land that was not theirs - Palestine had no money ane limited means to attack - so they improvised with the bombings.

NO ITS NOT RIGHT - But when the world watches as Israel does what it likes in that region - you cant expect these lot to sit there and do nothing.

[AtW]

There actions and responses are due to their suppression.

Their actions and responses are such (suicide bombing, rockets etc) are due to their religion - Indians were also supressed yet they were able to find winning strategy. Palestinians are unable to do that because they are trapped inside their religious dogma.

What they should have done is:

a) renounce violence (it's not necessary as Israel is not actively killing them - if anything it has withdrawn from the territory where palestinians reside now).
b) start building up their economy to show they have viable state.
c) 20-30 years later Israel would have no choice but to share territory, probably visa free access etc.

Now that's the winning strategy - firing random rockets isn't and Israel is trying to demonstrate it to them.

[PM-Junkie]

Dunno what you're all worried about. Tony the UN peace envoy will sort it - he's our hero and everyone in the middle east supports and respects him

[AtW]

Israel took land that was not theirs - Palestine had no money ane limited means to attack - so they improvised with the bombings.

Palestinians lost their battle once they started targeted civilians with suicide bombings - Taleban in Afganistan has got more legitimacy because they seem to mainly target military convoys.

Palestinians really screwed up their rightful objections to what Israel did with their actions - they don't understand it because their brains are poisoned with religion that gives them no chance of actually achieving what they want.

[minestrone]

Do you get rockets fired at around your house from that area on regular basis? No.

Do you get suicide bombers blowing themselves near your house from that area? No.

I would not go brick anyone locally because they got nothing to do with the conflict far away. In Gaza however the people who were attacked had a lot to do with this stuff in a very direct way - if they did not fire any rockets then I'd say Israel made mistake, but they did fire plenty of rockets deliberately provoking response - they have nobody to blame but themselves. Frankly people who send suicide bombers to target civilians have no moral right to complain when bombs hit their command structures and kills civilians around them - at least Israel does its best to target people who are doing this stuff, unlike HAMAS.

Just what the heck palestinians expect with those rockets? Would they win the war with them? Clearly it won't - all they achieve is lose support for their cause, though I think the only support they care about is from Iran, and I doubt they actually want to end this conflict in their lifetimes as they just want to die fighting. There is not a lot you can do about such people apart from granting their wish.

This all reflects on palestinians really bad - Israel left Gaza and made practical steps towards resolution of this conflict - palestinians need someone like Ghandi if they actually want to win, total rethink of what they did, this is of course is not going to happen as their brains are filled up with religious nonsense that is driving them towards extinction.

That is exactly why I left that comment there, does a child living next to a hamas building have less rights to living than a child living in your street?

What does locality have to do with it? The child never voted for hamas.

You cannot drop bombs on a city and justify it by saying "they do it to us".

[AtW]

That is exactly why I left that comment there, does a child living next to a hamas building have less rights to living than a child living in your street?

The parents of the child are responsible for location of the child - if they wanted safety for their child they'd locate him away from wherever HAMAS is - the buildings that were bombed were pretty clearly associated with HAMAS.

The sad part here is that parents of those childs deliberately in my view located them around HAMAS places so that when Israel strikes they could claim that Israel is killing children. Given that HAMAS did plenty of suicide bombings that killed children - and in this case civilians were deliberately targeted, it seems to me that HAMAS has got no moral superiority in this case.

You cannot drop bombs on a city and justify it by saying "they do it to us".

Well, the other way would be to go in with land forces - problem is that HAMAS fighters would melt away and pretend to be civilians, so you can't do anything about it unless you plan on killing all men, ie genocide - something Israel rejects due to jews being under genocide themselves and they are right in their choice.

All HAMAS needed to do in order to avoid that is to stop firing rockets - it seems a fairly reasonable request in my view.

[AtW]

You cannot drop bombs on a city and justify it by saying "they do it to us".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...n_World_War_II

War is not a good thing, that's why all parties should avoid getting into it.

[NotAllThere]

ATW bear with me on this

You have a house - you have 3 children and a wife. The house is yours and you have lived there for many years and the house has been in your generation for many years and centuries.

One day I come along and kidnap you in your OWN house and then take your entire family and lock you in your room. I then, over the course of decades, limit your food, clothes and day to day living requirements. I then let you kids die as they have medical issues but I will not let them get treated. I then see your wife die and laugh and let her die. You have no weapons, you have no other means of attacked back aside from a chair which is made out of wood.
Eventually, given the opportunity you WILL try and escape or kill me. If your family have been killed you WILL want to kill me.

The above is no different to what is happening in Palestine and Israel.

Israel took land that was not theirs - Palestine had no money ane limited means to attack - so they improvised with the bombings.

NO ITS NOT RIGHT - But when the world watches as Israel does what it likes in that region - you cant expect these lot to sit there and do nothing.

Egypt, Syria and Jordan attacked Israel. Israel fought back, and took away land that belonged to Egypt (Gaza), Syria (Golan Heights) and Jordan (West Bank).

When it comes to the refugee camps, many Palestinians wanted to leave, but could not, because it suited the political purposes of Syria and Jordan to have a group of angry Arabs on Israeli borders.

Before the creation of the Palestinian areas by the Israeli, there was no Palestinian land. It was held by... Egypt, Syria and Jordan. When it was still part of those countries, the Palestinians were a lot more badly treated than they are now.

In the Middle East, Palestinians are largely despised by their allies. But it suits the allies to arm them, because they want Israel destroyed. But even if the Palestinians managed to destroy Israel, they wouldn't get their land. It would be redistributed among... Egypt, Syria and Jordan.

btw - I don't think the Israelis try very hard to avoid hitting civilians. The two sides hate each other so much, I doubt they care. But the Israelis are more conscious of world opinion, so are rather less careless of civilian lives.