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Originally posted by Francko View Post
All they want is permies with a shorter notice and a slightly higher premium to pay for this flexibility.
Permies nearly always get an inflationary pay rise every year.
Contract rates have been stagnant over the last 10 years and never made it past the 2000 peak.
The hey day for contracting was definitely mid to late 90s. You could buy a 3 bed semi with a years turnover. If house prices collapse and rates dont then maybe we see those days again. But jobstats is showing average rates at 31ph. Which is down about 20% since last year.Comment
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Actually I see rates falling. My peak was 2001, then there was a dip 2002-3, then a rise followed by a plateau.
Now the rates seem to be going down all the time to the point where I'm beginning to wonder if it is actually worth it, especially as I seem to have to do the agency runaround every 3 monthsComment
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There does seem to be a recent collapse in rates, 2nd line network support is now paid what 20-25 p/h? Junior PM at 200-250 a day. About 33% drop, recently.Bored.Comment
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Originally posted by Francko View PostWhen I started contracting I thought of it as a political revolution, as the masses freed from the oppressors and the stinky capitalist who will drown because of profits being equally redistributed about workers, about freedom of mind and from belongings to group and social categories.Older and ...well, just older!!Comment
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Originally posted by Francko View PostNow it's just about getting a little extra tip at the end of the day. Sorry but that is very disillusioning.Fiscal nomad it's legal.Comment
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Originally posted by Ardesco View PostJust keep you head down, imply the agent takes a very large percentage of what they pay out (which is usually true anyway) and point out that potentially you have a much higher tax burden. Then they can be happy that they don't have the hassle of being a contractor and don't feel quite so useless.Originally posted by Ardesco View PostThe way to work is not do what one of the guys who just started where I am did. Wander in bragging about how he just got a payment of £40,000 in his bank account for the last 3 months work, acting as if all the permies are scum, or stupid and generally rubbing everybody up the wrong way.Comment
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Originally posted by Iron Condor View PostBut jobstats is showing average rates at 31ph.
'They' say a contractor's hourly rate, when multiplied by 1000, equates to a permie's annual salary.
No idea who 'they' are, but I hope they're talking out of their arse.Feist - 1234. One camera, one take, no editing. Superb. How they did it
Feist - I Feel It All
Feist - The Bad In Each Other (Later With Jools Holland)Comment
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Originally posted by shoes View PostA lot of clients just don't understand it. They seem unaware of this 3rd option of an actual freelance consultant. This might be due to the agencies phoning them all the time and painting a picture of temporary employees, it might be due to your typical lifetime permie middle management type having a limited amount of experience of actual business. I've also met some contractors who don't understand it either and refer to annual leave and attend employee 'future of the company' meetings. The government don't understand it either, we're just avoiding tax.
In summary, people are stupid. I think there's more stupid people now than there used to be, it's mostly the stupid that breed so we're doomed to drowning in them im afraid.Comment
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Originally posted by PAH View PostAverage!
'They' say a contractor's hourly rate, when multiplied by 1000, equates to a permie's annual salary.
Both permie and contract rates were around 40K pa/40 ph at that time. So the x1000 multipler was pretty accurate.
Advertised contract rates have fallen to 31 ph and advertised permie salaries have fallen to 38K.Comment
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