Boomed - Mumbai

[Chantho]

I was looking at the pictures and one of them, a cubby looking kid, is the spitting image of an oik that was causing trouble in one of my chip shops in Doncaster a few months ago.

I do hope it wasn't the new pie lady escorting him from the premises that has provoked him onto this downward spiral into terrorism.

Oiks in Doncaster, hardly newsworthy is it?

[ace00]

Oiks in Doncaster, hardly newsworthy is it?

How about this lot then?

British nationals with Pakistani backgrounds have been involved in many terrorist incidents, both in this country and abroad.

The first indications that radicalised British Muslims were travelling abroad to fight emerged from Bosnia in the mid-1990s. In 1998, British casualties were reported among the dead in mujahideen camps in Afghanistan attacked by American missiles.

In 2002, the American journalist Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered in Pakistan by Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh. Originally from east London, he attended a British public school before dropping out of the LSE.


Another British-born Muslim extremist, belonging to the Pakistani-based militant organisation Jaish-i-Muhamnmad, killed 32 people when he rammed a lorry packed with explosives into an Indian army barracks in Kashmir.

In 2003, two other British, Asif Mohammed Hanif and Omar Sharif, travelled to Tel Aviv to carry out a suicide bomb attack there.

One thing that all had in common, apart from their faith, is that they attended mosques or events in Britain where fundamentalist messages were routinely issued. They also had family links with Pakistan which made it easier for them to travel to the country where they would be trained by jihadists. They had already been radicalised at home. An estimated 400,000 trips a year are made by Britons of Pakistani origin to their ancestral homeland.

[PAH]

The SAS time to clear a building: Under 5 minutes

Indian SAS time to clear a building: 48 hours and counting.

Something tells me this lot have been trained by SASGuru. Special, as in special needs.

[minestrone]

The SAS time to clear a building: Under 5 minutes

Indian SAS time to clear a building: 48 hours and counting.

Something tells me this lot have been trained by SASGuru. Special, as in special needs.

The SAS did not have to clear a 1000 room hotel an face a bunch of serious fruitloops who wanted to die and would not negotiate.

[sasguru]

The SAS time to clear a building: Under 5 minutes

Indian SAS time to clear a building: 48 hours and counting.

Something tells me this lot have been trained by SASGuru. Special, as in special needs.

Another contender for chief CUK village idiot, I see.

[PAH]

Another contender for chief CUK village idiot, I see.

We'll it would be boring if it was a one fool race.

[AtW]

The SAS did not have to clear a 1000 room hotel an face a bunch of serious fruitloops who wanted to die and would not negotiate.

You can be 100% sure those gunmen who took hostages wanted to negotiate (that's the idea of taking hostages and some of them called TV stations) - Indian Govt didn't, so they stormed it for long time without any regard for hostage life, the calculation is simple there - loss of face for terrorist attack already happened could be compounded if it lasts longer due to negotiations, adding a few dozen extra dead hostages to already high list is not a factor in such high level decision making in countries where human life does not mean much (unless it's big official or their family).

[AtW]

Even if I had an opinion, I would keep it to myself in the absence of data or evidence.

Looks like my initial perception of Indian "SAS" incompetence when it comes to these things was pretty well justified.

[NotAllThere]

The only way to deal with hostage situations is to act as though the hostages were already dead. This is what the Israelis did, and why the PLO et al., stopped hijacking their planes.

Hostage taking suddenly becomes a lot less attractive to terrorists.

Tough for the particular hostages, their families and friends, but in the long run a whole lot better off for far more people.

( I expect a response a long the lines of "well, what if it was your wife". To which the answer is, I'd like her to be rescued. But it would still be the wrong course of action for the the authorities to take ).

[AtW]

The only way to deal with hostage situations is to act as though the hostages were already dead.

No it's not the only way. The correct way is to engage in negotiations while preparing careful assault that can happen when hostage takers are tired. SAS did it really well some years ago.

If you go in straight away you need to do it quickly at least - 48 hours is a very long time to deal with a handful of attackers when you don't even try to negotiate.

Tough for the particular hostages, their families and friends, but in the long run a whole lot better off for far more people.

I'd like you say that when your family is taken hostage.