Sharia Law now operating in England

[PM-Junkie]

I wonder if this makes people want to thump a judge, or thump a muslim.

Or maybe both...

[scooby]

I wonder if this makes people want to thump a judge, or thump a muslim.

Or maybe both...

two birds with one stone!

[scooby]

Hell in a hand cart

does this mean bombers will be able to use this system?

[Advocate]

Isn't this just sensationalism? I thought there have been the Jewish equivalent for years regarding civil matters, it requires that those involved agree to be bound by the decisions; i look at it as essentially a contract between all the parties.

It doesn't meant that you can commit a *criminal act* and be judged by a Sharia court...


IANAL

[Bob Dalek]

Isn't this just sensationalism? I thought there have been the Jewish equivalent for years regarding civil matters, it requires that those involved agree to be bound by the decisions; i look at it as essentially a contract between all the parties.

It doesn't meant that you can commit a *criminal act* and be judged by a Sharia court...


IANAL

As far as I know, Jews no longer stone perceived naughty folk to death/set fire to them in wheelie bins, etc., or wreak holy war on tube carriages. My POV: ban all religious "courts".

[The Lone Gunman]

Isn't this just sensationalism? I thought there have been the Jewish equivalent for years regarding civil matters, it requires that those involved agree to be bound by the decisions; i look at it as essentially a contract between all the parties.

It doesn't meant that you can commit a *criminal act* and be judged by a Sharia court...


IANAL

The Sharia case was by agreement only, but this report seems to suggest that the "agreement" now has legal standing in the UK enforced by UK law.
It is untenable. How can we have 2 sets of law? Could a non muslim get a sharia divorce?

This just shows the NL populist strategy. It also shows a complete lack of understanding of law and democracy and shows good reason why they should be removed from power immediately.

[NotAllThere]

Isn't this just sensationalism? I thought there have been the Jewish equivalent for years regarding civil matters, it requires that those involved agree to be bound by the decisions; i look at it as essentially a contract between all the parties.

That's not the problem.

The government has quietly sanctioned that their rulings are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court. Previously, the rulings were not binding and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

The question is, does that apply to Beth Din courts?

Further, under English law, two parties can agree to be arbitrated by a third party. So anyone can do this. Again, the question is, are such arbitration decisions "enforceable with the full power of the judicial system." If yes, then nothing has changed and this is sensationalism. If no then...

[PM-Junkie]

Isn't this just sensationalism? I thought there have been the Jewish equivalent for years regarding civil matters, it requires that those involved agree to be bound by the decisions; i look at it as essentially a contract between all the parties.

It doesn't meant that you can commit a *criminal act* and be judged by a Sharia court...


IANAL

No, it isn't - unless you are another blinkered idiot who is in denial of course.

Do you have the ability to read? Which bit of "he expected the courts to handle a greater number of "smaller" criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them" are you struggling to understand?

[Advocate]

As far as I know, Jews no longer stone perceived naughty folk to death/set fire to them in wheelie bins, etc., or wreak holy war on tube carriages. My POV: ban all religious "courts".

I'm not advocating the idea (no pun intended) I'm simply trying to point out that this is media bovine tulip designed to cause this kind of response. All of the above are criminal acts and are covered quite adequately (depending on your particular viewpoint) by the UK justice system.

The Jewish equivalent is the Beth Din.

Both sides in a dispute must be Jewish, obviously, and must have agreed to have their case heard by the Beth Din. Once that has happened, its eventual decision is binding. English law states that any third party can be agreed by two sides to arbitrate in a dispute, and in this case the institutional third party is the Beth Din.

I don't really see the threat to the British legal system just yet...

[ChimpMaster]

I have a theory:

Muslims in this country are breeding at more than double the rate that any other culture/religion here is.

Labour are using this to their advantage: by handing out benefits (free housing etc) to these people, they become staunch Labour voters.

So as Muslim births increase and their population here explodes (intended pun ) Labour will win every election from hereon.